[00:00.000 --> 00:02.040] for this particular project [00:02.040 --> 00:04.460] for the STARS project that we're working on [00:04.460 --> 00:05.660] and so [00:05.660 --> 00:08.220] we're working together at this point to kind of [00:08.220 --> 00:09.320] identify the requirements [00:09.320 --> 00:12.420] so I will leave it up to you [00:12.420 --> 00:14.260] because I want to [00:14.260 --> 00:15.800] ask away [00:15.800 --> 00:16.840] any questions? [00:17.120 --> 00:20.100] who's going first? [00:20.680 --> 00:21.340] can you go if you want? [00:22.120 --> 00:23.600] yeah sure, ok [00:23.600 --> 00:25.900] so I've just got some [00:25.900 --> 00:29.640] so we'll go [00:29.640 --> 00:31.840] over the document after we've done [00:31.840 --> 00:33.900] these questions, so first question [00:33.900 --> 00:36.020] is, what does STARS mean [00:36.020 --> 00:37.360] to North Metro TAFE? [00:40.100 --> 00:41.600] it's quite a broad question [00:41.600 --> 00:42.480] it is a broad question [00:42.480 --> 00:45.240] it's just an initial starting point of [00:45.240 --> 00:47.460] what are the expectations [00:47.460 --> 00:49.720] what do you see this being? [00:54.440 --> 00:55.720] basically it's a way [00:55.720 --> 00:56.760] for us to monitor [00:56.760 --> 00:59.620] students who [00:59.620 --> 01:01.820] we deem to have issues [01:01.820 --> 01:04.160] as in attendance [01:04.160 --> 01:07.000] lack of engagement [01:07.000 --> 01:08.400] lack of [01:08.400 --> 01:10.380] consumption of assessments [01:10.380 --> 01:15.500] it might be even for me [01:15.500 --> 01:16.280] I don't know [01:16.280 --> 01:17.920] you must tell me if I'm going to [01:17.920 --> 01:18.580] no it's fine [01:18.580 --> 01:22.400] but even as online hop [01:22.400 --> 01:24.300] I sometimes have students [01:24.300 --> 01:25.040] saying to me [01:25.040 --> 01:26.040] hey help [01:26.040 --> 01:27.540] so it's not only [01:27.540 --> 01:28.120] for me [01:28.120 --> 01:29.340] identify from [01:29.340 --> 01:31.280] is student at risk [01:31.280 --> 01:31.900] or we [01:31.900 --> 01:33.800] classify the person [01:33.800 --> 01:35.120] as oh gosh [01:35.120 --> 01:36.120] we need to keep an eye [01:36.120 --> 01:36.800] on this guy [01:36.800 --> 01:37.580] he's really [01:37.580 --> 01:38.540] suffering [01:38.540 --> 01:39.520] it is not that [01:39.520 --> 01:40.560] it is for me more [01:40.560 --> 01:41.640] even when students [01:41.640 --> 01:42.340] tell me [01:42.340 --> 01:44.880] I'm doing it tough [01:44.880 --> 01:46.040] yeah [01:46.040 --> 01:46.820] that [01:46.820 --> 01:50.460] we can just [01:50.460 --> 01:51.000] follow up [01:51.000 --> 01:51.900] because sometimes [01:51.900 --> 01:52.760] you follow up [01:52.760 --> 01:53.640] in that moment [01:53.640 --> 01:54.780] and then you forget [01:54.780 --> 01:55.760] about the people [01:55.760 --> 01:57.380] because you are so busy [01:57.380 --> 01:58.660] and then [01:58.660 --> 02:00.120] a month or two later [02:00.120 --> 02:00.860] they say to me [02:00.860 --> 02:01.280] hey [02:01.280 --> 02:01.840] Ingrid [02:01.840 --> 02:04.260] and then I feel like [02:04.260 --> 02:05.020] so bad [02:05.020 --> 02:05.620] that I haven't [02:05.620 --> 02:06.120] followed up [02:06.120 --> 02:06.640] and say [02:06.640 --> 02:08.220] how are you going now [02:08.220 --> 02:10.920] and to tack on to that [02:10.920 --> 02:12.620] sometimes that happens [02:12.620 --> 02:13.700] where a student [02:13.700 --> 02:15.180] will raise that question [02:15.180 --> 02:16.880] but in a particular class [02:16.880 --> 02:18.140] and [02:18.140 --> 02:19.580] then not again [02:19.580 --> 02:20.220] right [02:20.220 --> 02:21.280] and it's not necessarily [02:21.280 --> 02:22.300] anything to do with that class [02:22.300 --> 02:23.440] it's just in that moment [02:23.440 --> 02:25.120] that's when they felt [02:25.120 --> 02:25.800] comfortable [02:25.800 --> 02:26.920] to be able to say something [02:26.920 --> 02:27.320] but that [02:27.320 --> 02:28.480] that obviously is something [02:28.480 --> 02:29.440] that would be really useful [02:29.440 --> 02:30.300] for everybody [02:30.300 --> 02:31.780] to potentially know [02:31.780 --> 02:32.560] that perhaps [02:32.560 --> 02:33.300] you know [02:33.300 --> 02:34.900] and as Adrian said there [02:34.900 --> 02:35.980] and I think we had a discussion [02:35.980 --> 02:36.540] this morning [02:36.540 --> 02:37.760] as well about this [02:37.760 --> 02:39.840] about what is that classification [02:39.840 --> 02:40.780] like when we say [02:40.780 --> 02:41.240] at risk [02:41.240 --> 02:42.100] there's so many things [02:42.100 --> 02:42.840] that that could be [02:42.840 --> 02:44.540] and we can be talking about there [02:44.540 --> 02:47.540] and that's both inside [02:47.540 --> 02:48.120] and outside [02:48.120 --> 02:48.940] influences [02:48.940 --> 02:49.360] so [02:49.360 --> 02:51.040] so yeah [02:51.040 --> 02:52.140] so I think it's [02:52.140 --> 02:52.720] it's nice [02:52.720 --> 02:53.160] I think [02:53.160 --> 02:54.100] for me definitely [02:54.100 --> 02:55.640] it's that transparency [02:55.640 --> 02:56.940] or ability to know [02:56.940 --> 02:57.600] that maybe [02:57.600 --> 02:58.640] there is a student [02:58.640 --> 02:59.160] in my class [02:59.160 --> 02:59.540] that's struggling [02:59.540 --> 03:00.340] that hasn't actually [03:00.340 --> 03:01.720] raised it to me directly [03:01.720 --> 03:02.860] but maybe I can then [03:02.860 --> 03:03.820] you know [03:03.820 --> 03:04.500] make adjustments [03:04.500 --> 03:06.660] or check in [03:06.660 --> 03:06.900] even [03:06.900 --> 03:07.400] you know [03:07.400 --> 03:07.780] okay [03:07.780 --> 03:08.880] so there's a bit of like [03:08.880 --> 03:09.680] unification [03:09.680 --> 03:11.240] so that everyone's [03:11.240 --> 03:12.040] on the same page [03:12.040 --> 03:12.380] about [03:12.380 --> 03:13.960] that's the primary aim [03:13.960 --> 03:16.460] we have a serious issue [03:16.460 --> 03:16.800] where [03:16.800 --> 03:18.000] at the moment [03:18.000 --> 03:19.120] everybody's trying [03:19.120 --> 03:20.340] to do the same thing [03:20.340 --> 03:21.140] but there's no [03:21.140 --> 03:22.120] easy way [03:22.120 --> 03:22.960] to say [03:22.960 --> 03:23.340] hey [03:23.340 --> 03:24.740] I've noticed [03:24.740 --> 03:26.280] this particular student [03:26.280 --> 03:26.980] is struggling [03:26.980 --> 03:29.200] not talk to them yet [03:29.200 --> 03:29.820] has anybody else [03:29.820 --> 03:30.900] noticed any issues [03:30.900 --> 03:34.100] and to tap [03:34.100 --> 03:35.340] onto another part [03:35.340 --> 03:35.540] of it [03:35.540 --> 03:36.220] is also [03:36.220 --> 03:37.380] when we know [03:37.380 --> 03:38.180] that somebody's [03:38.180 --> 03:39.300] on an LSP [03:39.300 --> 03:40.360] learning support plan [03:40.360 --> 03:41.980] we can [03:41.980 --> 03:42.940] we won't [03:42.940 --> 03:44.140] disclose it [03:44.140 --> 03:44.940] as part of the system [03:44.940 --> 03:45.980] but it allows us [03:45.980 --> 03:46.540] to say [03:46.540 --> 03:46.940] hey [03:46.940 --> 03:47.600] this person [03:47.600 --> 03:48.580] is on LSP [03:48.580 --> 03:51.080] to those people [03:51.080 --> 03:51.940] who are involved [03:51.940 --> 03:52.720] with that student [03:52.720 --> 03:53.700] not to all [03:53.700 --> 03:54.400] the lecturers [03:54.400 --> 03:55.140] so that sort of thing [03:55.140 --> 03:56.240] is also part of that [03:56.240 --> 03:57.420] this whole thing as well [03:57.420 --> 03:58.780] because we need [03:58.780 --> 03:59.380] to have that [03:59.380 --> 04:00.540] ability to say [04:00.540 --> 04:00.840] hey [04:00.840 --> 04:02.680] have you seen this [04:02.680 --> 04:03.760] you know [04:03.760 --> 04:04.300] this person [04:04.300 --> 04:05.280] needs some extra support [04:05.280 --> 04:06.240] under certain conditions [04:06.240 --> 04:07.120] that's the sort of thing [04:07.120 --> 04:07.740] that's going on [04:07.740 --> 04:09.640] now I'm very fortunate [04:09.640 --> 04:10.380] so far [04:10.380 --> 04:11.400] I've had two or three of you [04:11.400 --> 04:14.160] within this year [04:14.160 --> 04:16.820] ask for some changes [04:16.820 --> 04:17.520] their study etc [04:17.520 --> 04:18.300] and that's because [04:18.300 --> 04:19.000] the fact that they [04:19.000 --> 04:20.040] felt they could approach it [04:20.040 --> 04:21.600] and that's easy [04:21.600 --> 04:23.040] and we can then [04:23.040 --> 04:24.000] pass that on [04:24.000 --> 04:24.980] it allows us to pass it on [04:24.980 --> 04:25.600] to our hops [04:25.600 --> 04:27.160] Ingrid if they're online [04:27.160 --> 04:28.820] and to Guido [04:28.820 --> 04:30.220] if they're face to face [04:30.220 --> 04:30.820] to say hey [04:30.820 --> 04:32.200] this student needs to adjust [04:32.200 --> 04:33.020] those learning platforms [04:33.020 --> 04:33.820] this this and this [04:33.820 --> 04:34.640] and it allows us [04:34.640 --> 04:35.480] to track that sort of [04:35.480 --> 04:36.480] information as well [04:36.480 --> 04:38.380] so it's a very very [04:38.380 --> 04:39.600] it's a system [04:39.600 --> 04:40.200] that's going to [04:40.200 --> 04:41.020] it's going to grow [04:41.020 --> 04:43.020] and we don't expect [04:43.020 --> 04:43.540] you to do [04:43.540 --> 04:44.080] everything [04:44.080 --> 04:45.380] in one hit [04:45.380 --> 04:46.580] we expect this to take [04:46.580 --> 04:47.780] two three four years [04:47.780 --> 04:48.860] to actually complete [04:48.860 --> 04:50.800] but each one [04:50.800 --> 04:51.240] is going to have [04:51.240 --> 04:51.620] a set [04:51.620 --> 04:53.280] aim point [04:53.280 --> 04:54.140] for you to complete [04:54.140 --> 04:55.160] alright [04:55.160 --> 04:55.720] so that's the [04:55.720 --> 04:56.820] whole idea [04:56.820 --> 04:58.160] is to improve [04:58.160 --> 04:58.960] as we go through [04:58.960 --> 05:00.240] ok [05:00.240 --> 05:01.020] that [05:01.020 --> 05:02.280] I guess leads on [05:02.280 --> 05:03.200] to the next question [05:03.200 --> 05:04.340] which is [05:04.340 --> 05:05.340] what is [05:05.340 --> 05:07.380] what existing [05:07.380 --> 05:07.960] infrastructure [05:07.960 --> 05:08.700] do you have [05:08.700 --> 05:09.720] for this system [05:09.720 --> 05:11.480] and what are we [05:11.480 --> 05:12.400] adding to it [05:12.400 --> 05:14.440] nothing really [05:14.440 --> 05:15.500] nothing at the moment [05:15.500 --> 05:17.300] the most in terms [05:17.300 --> 05:17.820] of a process [05:17.820 --> 05:18.760] is that we have a chat [05:18.760 --> 05:19.700] and we talk about [05:19.700 --> 05:20.280] things like this [05:20.280 --> 05:21.180] and that's it [05:21.180 --> 05:22.620] so there's a record [05:22.620 --> 05:23.180] there somewhere [05:23.180 --> 05:23.860] but I would have to [05:23.860 --> 05:24.260] flick through [05:24.260 --> 05:25.840] if somebody brings up [05:25.840 --> 05:26.380] a name I'm like [05:26.380 --> 05:27.100] oh yes maybe we [05:27.100 --> 05:27.720] talked about that [05:27.720 --> 05:28.060] and I'll have to [05:28.060 --> 05:28.380] flick through [05:28.380 --> 05:29.660] and find the things [05:29.660 --> 05:30.280] that we talk about [05:30.280 --> 05:31.420] there are processes [05:31.420 --> 05:32.120] for other things [05:32.120 --> 05:32.600] as part of that [05:32.600 --> 05:34.100] but as far as [05:34.100 --> 05:35.140] us managing this [05:35.140 --> 05:35.480] component [05:35.480 --> 05:36.380] we don't have [05:36.380 --> 05:36.820] anything [05:36.820 --> 05:37.180] nothing [05:37.180 --> 05:38.360] so viewing old [05:38.360 --> 05:39.640] records and [05:39.640 --> 05:40.640] like archiving [05:40.640 --> 05:41.340] conversations [05:41.340 --> 05:42.240] would be helpful [05:42.240 --> 05:43.740] to like review [05:43.740 --> 05:44.840] things that have [05:44.840 --> 05:45.500] already been [05:45.500 --> 05:46.120] discussed [05:46.120 --> 05:48.980] I think more [05:48.980 --> 05:49.480] would be the case [05:49.480 --> 05:50.040] of if we've got [05:50.040 --> 05:50.600] notes [05:50.600 --> 05:52.000] against [05:52.000 --> 05:53.440] the student [05:53.440 --> 05:55.180] that would be [05:55.180 --> 05:55.940] that gives us [05:55.940 --> 05:56.380] that we don't [05:56.380 --> 05:56.760] necessarily [05:56.760 --> 05:57.500] because we can [05:57.500 --> 05:57.900] always say [05:57.900 --> 05:58.900] oh yeah [05:58.900 --> 05:59.880] I'll copy [05:59.880 --> 06:01.100] this conversation [06:01.100 --> 06:02.080] into the notes [06:02.080 --> 06:02.760] so we know [06:02.760 --> 06:03.280] we've got the notes [06:03.280 --> 06:03.520] down [06:03.520 --> 06:04.240] because if it's [06:04.240 --> 06:04.660] just a case [06:04.660 --> 06:05.960] of us touching [06:05.960 --> 06:07.480] base about [06:07.480 --> 06:08.300] a particular student [06:08.300 --> 06:09.000] it doesn't matter [06:09.000 --> 06:09.900] so it's not so [06:09.900 --> 06:10.320] important [06:10.320 --> 06:11.400] if we find [06:11.400 --> 06:12.000] there's an issue [06:12.000 --> 06:12.580] yeah we can [06:12.580 --> 06:13.320] actually note it [06:13.320 --> 06:13.920] down in the system [06:13.920 --> 06:14.420] that would be a [06:14.420 --> 06:15.140] better way for us [06:15.140 --> 06:15.500] to work [06:15.500 --> 06:16.000] rather than having [06:16.000 --> 06:17.580] all the conversation [06:17.580 --> 06:18.180] going in there [06:18.180 --> 06:18.940] because that's just [06:18.940 --> 06:19.460] going to come [06:19.460 --> 06:20.980] too big [06:20.980 --> 06:24.080] yeah there was [06:24.080 --> 06:24.900] also a conversation [06:24.900 --> 06:25.500] I think Lisa [06:25.500 --> 06:26.480] you had with me [06:26.480 --> 06:27.380] and you might [06:27.380 --> 06:27.840] know I know [06:27.840 --> 06:28.460] because I know [06:28.460 --> 06:29.180] you have a background [06:29.180 --> 06:29.900] as well on this [06:29.900 --> 06:31.720] but the schools [06:31.720 --> 06:33.640] do something similar [06:33.640 --> 06:34.500] to this or have a [06:34.500 --> 06:35.680] way to manage this [06:35.680 --> 06:36.360] yeah I think it's [06:36.360 --> 06:36.600] sector [06:36.600 --> 06:38.220] sector or compass [06:38.220 --> 06:39.400] or they have tools [06:39.400 --> 06:41.100] and so it might be [06:41.100 --> 06:42.100] worth looking at [06:42.100 --> 06:42.980] what they do [06:42.980 --> 06:43.660] as well [06:43.660 --> 06:44.640] I don't know [06:44.640 --> 06:45.220] I don't have any [06:45.220 --> 06:46.260] experience with it [06:46.260 --> 06:47.900] but it might be [06:47.900 --> 06:48.900] worth looking at [06:48.900 --> 06:50.580] those to see [06:50.580 --> 06:51.460] is there something [06:51.460 --> 06:52.140] in there that [06:52.140 --> 06:53.160] might be good [06:53.160 --> 06:53.980] to draw from [06:53.980 --> 06:54.460] you know [06:54.460 --> 06:55.860] that's a good idea [06:55.860 --> 06:56.720] because obviously [06:56.720 --> 06:57.400] there is [06:57.400 --> 06:58.500] we don't necessarily [06:58.500 --> 06:59.760] need the [06:59.760 --> 07:01.820] we don't necessarily [07:01.820 --> 07:02.620] need all of the [07:02.620 --> 07:03.440] components of that [07:03.440 --> 07:04.300] so make sure you're [07:04.300 --> 07:04.940] thinking about it [07:04.940 --> 07:05.500] in the context [07:05.500 --> 07:06.000] that we're trying [07:06.000 --> 07:06.360] to use it [07:06.360 --> 07:06.920] but it might be [07:06.920 --> 07:07.660] worthwhile to look [07:07.660 --> 07:08.120] at as well [07:08.120 --> 07:08.600] because it might [07:08.600 --> 07:09.140] give you some [07:09.140 --> 07:10.140] inspiration for [07:10.140 --> 07:10.680] what things [07:10.680 --> 07:11.420] that you might [07:11.420 --> 07:12.100] be able to use [07:12.100 --> 07:13.240] see what people [07:13.240 --> 07:14.880] have done before [07:14.880 --> 07:15.800] yeah [07:15.800 --> 07:17.220] that's always a [07:17.220 --> 07:18.060] good start point [07:18.060 --> 07:19.140] is do a [07:19.140 --> 07:20.460] industry comparison [07:20.460 --> 07:22.220] so find out [07:22.220 --> 07:22.680] what there is [07:22.680 --> 07:23.060] out there [07:23.060 --> 07:23.460] that does [07:23.460 --> 07:24.120] similar things [07:24.120 --> 07:24.760] and then use [07:24.760 --> 07:25.340] that as a base [07:25.340 --> 07:27.820] then find your [07:27.820 --> 07:28.440] killer app [07:28.440 --> 07:29.120] your killer [07:29.120 --> 07:30.020] features [07:30.020 --> 07:31.620] okay [07:31.620 --> 07:32.500] well that's [07:32.500 --> 07:33.040] that's the end [07:33.040 --> 07:34.540] of our [07:34.540 --> 07:35.420] non-technical [07:35.420 --> 07:36.120] questions [07:36.120 --> 07:36.700] do you guys [07:36.700 --> 07:37.040] have any [07:37.040 --> 07:38.020] other thing [07:38.020 --> 07:38.720] you must be [07:38.720 --> 07:39.380] aware that [07:39.380 --> 07:40.540] this can be [07:40.540 --> 07:40.940] very [07:40.940 --> 07:44.820] I've thought [07:44.820 --> 07:45.100] of the [07:45.100 --> 07:45.280] weather [07:45.280 --> 07:45.600] now [07:45.600 --> 07:45.880] I forgot [07:45.880 --> 07:46.460] about it [07:46.460 --> 07:47.900] but it can [07:47.900 --> 07:48.280] be very [07:48.280 --> 07:48.800] confidential [07:48.800 --> 07:49.460] information [07:49.460 --> 07:50.340] sensitive [07:50.340 --> 07:51.840] and sensitive [07:51.840 --> 07:53.740] and that is [07:53.740 --> 07:54.220] something to [07:54.220 --> 07:54.560] address [07:54.560 --> 07:55.300] and it is [07:55.300 --> 07:55.720] something [07:55.720 --> 07:58.100] that will need [07:58.100 --> 07:58.760] to be addressed [07:58.760 --> 07:59.960] also with [07:59.960 --> 08:01.420] learning support [08:01.420 --> 08:04.700] what's the [08:04.700 --> 08:04.960] name [08:04.960 --> 08:05.620] house [08:05.620 --> 08:12.500] petrog [08:12.500 --> 08:13.140] petrog [08:13.140 --> 08:14.860] house [08:14.860 --> 08:15.620] she's [08:15.620 --> 08:16.260] heading [08:16.260 --> 08:17.780] head off [08:17.780 --> 08:18.980] they actually [08:18.980 --> 08:19.820] have a [08:19.820 --> 08:21.620] new [08:21.620 --> 08:22.420] system [08:22.420 --> 08:23.280] coming in [08:23.280 --> 08:24.340] to assist [08:24.340 --> 08:24.780] with their [08:24.780 --> 08:25.380] LSPs [08:25.380 --> 08:26.860] so [08:26.860 --> 08:28.020] they'll be [08:28.020 --> 08:28.440] generating [08:28.440 --> 08:28.760] that [08:28.760 --> 08:29.260] so whether [08:29.260 --> 08:30.180] or not [08:30.180 --> 08:30.800] there's [08:30.800 --> 08:31.200] something [08:31.200 --> 08:32.060] in the future [08:32.060 --> 08:32.980] there's two [08:32.980 --> 08:33.460] other systems [08:33.460 --> 08:33.800] to join [08:33.800 --> 08:34.120] together [08:34.120 --> 08:34.620] I don't [08:34.620 --> 08:34.900] know [08:34.900 --> 08:35.900] but [08:35.900 --> 08:37.140] we [08:37.140 --> 08:37.900] just look [08:37.900 --> 08:38.120] at it [08:38.120 --> 08:38.400] from our [08:38.400 --> 08:38.700] point of [08:38.700 --> 08:38.860] view [08:38.860 --> 08:39.100] as [08:39.100 --> 08:39.740] managing [08:39.740 --> 08:40.520] student [08:40.520 --> 08:42.740] issues [08:42.740 --> 08:43.140] no matter [08:43.140 --> 08:43.420] what they [08:43.420 --> 08:43.600] are [08:43.600 --> 08:43.840] whether [08:43.840 --> 08:44.020] it's [08:44.020 --> 08:44.420] an [08:44.420 --> 08:45.540] academic [08:45.540 --> 08:45.940] issue [08:45.940 --> 08:46.140] or a [08:46.140 --> 08:46.660] non-academic [08:46.660 --> 08:46.900] issue [08:46.900 --> 08:47.220] so a [08:47.220 --> 08:47.400] student [08:47.400 --> 08:47.780] comes up [08:47.780 --> 08:47.980] and we [08:47.980 --> 08:48.300] get it [08:48.300 --> 08:48.680] every so [08:48.680 --> 08:48.920] often [08:48.920 --> 08:49.880] I've had [08:49.880 --> 08:50.140] it quite [08:50.140 --> 08:50.380] a few [08:50.380 --> 08:50.700] times [08:50.700 --> 08:50.980] in my [08:50.980 --> 08:51.220] time [08:51.220 --> 08:51.520] here [08:51.520 --> 08:52.320] where [08:52.320 --> 08:52.560] students [08:52.560 --> 08:52.680] will [08:52.680 --> 08:52.820] come [08:52.820 --> 08:53.020] and say [08:53.020 --> 08:53.320] can I [08:53.320 --> 08:53.460] have a [08:53.460 --> 08:53.700] chap [08:53.700 --> 08:55.500] and we [08:55.500 --> 08:55.740] know [08:55.740 --> 08:56.100] and it's [08:56.100 --> 08:56.400] like they [08:56.400 --> 08:56.760] wanted to [08:56.760 --> 08:57.200] say hey [08:57.200 --> 08:57.560] I'm having [08:57.560 --> 08:58.020] rough time [08:58.020 --> 08:58.360] at home [08:58.360 --> 08:58.860] or rough [08:58.860 --> 08:59.140] time [08:59.140 --> 08:59.540] at work [08:59.540 --> 08:59.820] or whatever [08:59.820 --> 09:00.060] and so [09:00.060 --> 09:00.340] they just [09:00.340 --> 09:00.540] need to [09:00.540 --> 09:00.840] get something [09:00.840 --> 09:01.080] off their [09:01.080 --> 09:01.340] chest [09:01.340 --> 09:01.580] and it [09:01.580 --> 09:01.980] means we [09:01.980 --> 09:02.140] can [09:02.140 --> 09:02.520] say [09:02.520 --> 09:02.880] hey [09:02.880 --> 09:03.640] just [09:03.640 --> 09:04.160] treat [09:04.160 --> 09:04.640] xyz [09:04.640 --> 09:05.060] with some [09:05.060 --> 09:05.260] key [09:05.260 --> 09:05.520] gloves [09:05.520 --> 09:05.740] at the [09:05.740 --> 09:05.940] moment [09:05.940 --> 09:06.140] they're [09:06.140 --> 09:06.300] going [09:06.300 --> 09:06.440] through [09:06.440 --> 09:06.700] a rough [09:06.700 --> 09:06.980] time [09:06.980 --> 09:08.980] we [09:08.980 --> 09:09.140] don't [09:09.140 --> 09:09.340] need to [09:09.340 --> 09:09.740] disclose [09:17.400 --> 09:17.880] for us [09:17.880 --> 09:18.220] because we [09:18.220 --> 09:18.440] just [09:18.440 --> 09:19.660] we get [09:19.660 --> 09:19.860] to see [09:19.860 --> 09:20.200] each other [09:20.200 --> 09:20.840] properly [09:20.840 --> 09:21.160] for a [09:21.160 --> 09:21.400] meeting [09:21.400 --> 09:21.720] once [09:21.720 --> 09:22.780] every month [09:22.780 --> 09:24.520] and that's [09:24.520 --> 09:25.180] all this [09:25.180 --> 09:25.600] time just [09:25.600 --> 09:26.100] taking up [09:26.100 --> 09:26.920] yeah [09:26.920 --> 09:28.820] and I [09:28.820 --> 09:29.200] think [09:29.200 --> 09:30.260] again to [09:30.260 --> 09:30.620] compound [09:30.620 --> 09:31.040] what you've [09:31.040 --> 09:31.600] said there [09:31.600 --> 09:32.460] Ingrid [09:32.460 --> 09:33.700] I think [09:33.700 --> 09:34.320] it's not [09:34.320 --> 09:34.680] just [09:34.680 --> 09:35.580] confidentiality [09:35.580 --> 09:36.780] something to [09:36.780 --> 09:37.200] think about [09:37.200 --> 09:37.460] I think [09:37.460 --> 09:37.760] it's something [09:37.760 --> 09:38.100] that will [09:38.100 --> 09:38.400] be [09:38.400 --> 09:39.360] pervading [09:39.360 --> 09:39.920] the entire [09:39.920 --> 09:40.240] thing [09:40.240 --> 09:41.520] so there's [09:41.520 --> 09:41.720] going to [09:41.720 --> 09:42.040] have to be [09:42.040 --> 09:42.840] real consideration [09:42.840 --> 09:44.180] for who [09:44.180 --> 09:44.740] has access [09:44.740 --> 09:45.380] to what [09:45.380 --> 09:48.200] so it's [09:48.200 --> 09:48.400] going to [09:48.400 --> 09:48.620] need to [09:48.620 --> 09:48.960] be first [09:48.960 --> 09:49.220] of all [09:49.220 --> 09:49.620] protected [09:49.620 --> 09:50.140] from just [09:50.140 --> 09:50.560] anyone [09:50.560 --> 09:51.400] accessing it [09:51.400 --> 09:51.920] making sure [09:51.920 --> 09:52.320] that it is [09:52.320 --> 09:52.800] something that [09:52.800 --> 09:53.960] is secured [09:53.960 --> 09:54.360] or behind [09:54.360 --> 09:54.840] some sort [09:54.840 --> 09:55.640] of [09:55.640 --> 09:56.040] login [09:56.040 --> 09:56.700] yeah [09:56.700 --> 09:57.040] like [09:57.040 --> 09:57.580] whitelist [09:57.580 --> 09:57.820] not [09:57.820 --> 09:58.400] blacklist [09:58.400 --> 09:58.820] yeah [09:58.820 --> 09:59.420] yeah [09:59.420 --> 10:00.600] and then [10:00.600 --> 10:01.020] I don't [10:01.020 --> 10:01.380] know if [10:01.380 --> 10:01.660] there's [10:01.660 --> 10:02.360] maybe [10:02.360 --> 10:03.140] a [10:03.140 --> 10:03.680] consideration [10:03.680 --> 10:04.060] there [10:04.060 --> 10:04.320] for [10:04.320 --> 10:04.940] we can [10:04.940 --> 10:05.260] talk about [10:05.260 --> 10:05.400] that [10:05.400 --> 10:05.580] when we [10:05.580 --> 10:05.780] get down [10:05.780 --> 10:06.140] the track [10:06.140 --> 10:06.340] of [10:06.340 --> 10:06.780] different [10:06.780 --> 10:07.300] levels [10:07.300 --> 10:07.620] of [10:07.620 --> 10:08.300] access [10:08.300 --> 10:08.720] but [10:08.720 --> 10:09.240] for now [10:09.240 --> 10:09.840] definitely [10:09.840 --> 10:10.340] it needs [10:10.340 --> 10:10.600] to be [10:10.600 --> 10:11.020] protected [10:11.020 --> 10:11.600] that [10:11.600 --> 10:12.060] information [10:12.060 --> 10:12.340] is [10:12.340 --> 10:12.720] sensitive [10:12.720 --> 10:12.940] and [10:12.940 --> 10:13.160] something [10:13.160 --> 10:13.560] that should [10:13.560 --> 10:13.860] not be [10:13.860 --> 10:14.260] accessible [10:14.260 --> 10:14.820] by anyone [10:14.820 --> 10:15.380] potential [10:15.380 --> 10:16.160] you know [10:16.160 --> 10:16.520] alright [10:16.520 --> 10:18.540] so yeah [10:18.540 --> 10:19.520] what does [10:19.520 --> 10:20.080] a minimum [10:20.080 --> 10:21.180] viable [10:21.180 --> 10:21.780] product [10:21.780 --> 10:22.480] look like [10:22.480 --> 10:23.020] to you [10:23.020 --> 10:28.300] I think [10:28.300 --> 10:28.800] yeah [10:28.800 --> 10:29.300] I think [10:29.300 --> 10:29.540] we had [10:29.540 --> 10:29.800] a couple [10:29.800 --> 10:30.060] of points [10:30.060 --> 10:30.320] I think [10:30.320 --> 10:30.580] there is [10:30.580 --> 10:30.840] I can [10:30.840 --> 10:31.300] probably [10:31.300 --> 10:31.680] pop them [10:31.680 --> 10:32.120] on chat [10:32.120 --> 10:32.400] I think [10:32.400 --> 10:32.900] there was [10:32.900 --> 10:34.180] a couple [10:34.180 --> 10:34.780] of points [10:34.780 --> 10:35.580] I can't [10:35.580 --> 10:35.800] remember [10:35.800 --> 10:36.220] off the top [10:36.220 --> 10:36.740] of my head [10:36.740 --> 10:37.500] the elements [10:37.500 --> 10:37.780] that we [10:37.780 --> 10:38.080] kind of [10:38.080 --> 10:38.400] come up [10:38.400 --> 10:38.580] with [10:38.580 --> 10:39.000] for what [10:39.000 --> 10:39.220] is [10:39.220 --> 10:39.520] but [10:39.520 --> 10:46.420] yeah [10:46.420 --> 10:46.840] can we [10:46.840 --> 10:47.040] think [10:47.040 --> 10:47.240] about [10:47.240 --> 10:47.440] that [10:47.440 --> 10:47.620] and [10:47.620 --> 10:47.780] come [10:47.780 --> 10:48.080] back [10:48.080 --> 10:48.540] and [10:48.540 --> 10:48.720] give [10:48.720 --> 10:48.860] you [10:48.860 --> 10:49.160] some [10:49.160 --> 10:49.500] like [10:49.500 --> 10:49.740] a [10:49.740 --> 10:50.060] short [10:50.060 --> 10:50.320] list [10:50.320 --> 10:50.480] of [10:50.480 --> 10:50.740] things [10:50.740 --> 10:51.020] that are [10:51.020 --> 10:51.220] kind [10:51.220 --> 10:51.300] of [10:51.300 --> 10:51.780] like [10:51.780 --> 10:53.920] yeah [10:53.920 --> 10:54.200] like [10:54.200 --> 10:54.300] an [10:54.300 --> 10:54.660] MVP [10:54.660 --> 10:55.060] that's [10:55.060 --> 10:55.240] a good [10:55.240 --> 10:55.660] question [10:55.660 --> 10:56.520] to break [10:56.520 --> 10:56.820] it down [10:56.820 --> 10:57.040] into [10:57.040 --> 10:57.200] its [10:57.200 --> 10:57.420] small [10:57.420 --> 10:57.940] components [10:57.940 --> 10:59.800] yeah [10:59.800 --> 11:00.000] because [11:00.000 --> 11:00.200] we [11:00.200 --> 11:00.540] want [11:00.540 --> 11:00.840] something [11:00.840 --> 11:01.500] to be [11:01.500 --> 11:02.360] deliverable [11:02.360 --> 11:02.920] yeah [11:02.920 --> 11:03.380] just [11:03.380 --> 11:04.140] out of [11:04.140 --> 11:04.240] the [11:04.240 --> 11:04.480] gate [11:04.480 --> 11:05.260] yeah [11:05.260 --> 11:05.900] as a [11:05.900 --> 11:06.560] first [11:06.560 --> 11:06.980] phase [11:06.980 --> 11:07.340] and then [11:07.340 --> 11:07.680] be able [11:07.680 --> 11:08.120] to build [11:08.120 --> 11:08.420] upon [11:08.420 --> 11:08.820] that [11:08.820 --> 11:09.260] yeah [11:09.260 --> 11:10.460] no point [11:10.460 --> 11:10.660] in [11:10.660 --> 11:11.280] making [11:11.280 --> 11:11.620] something [11:11.620 --> 11:12.260] huge [11:12.260 --> 11:12.640] of the [11:12.640 --> 11:12.820] wrong [11:12.820 --> 11:13.540] requirements [11:13.540 --> 11:14.680] it would [11:14.680 --> 11:15.220] be nice [11:15.220 --> 11:15.680] if you [11:15.680 --> 11:16.920] do your [11:16.920 --> 11:17.380] research [11:17.380 --> 11:17.780] on [11:17.780 --> 11:18.720] sector [11:18.720 --> 11:19.280] or something [11:19.280 --> 11:20.400] like that [11:20.400 --> 11:21.320] but just [11:21.320 --> 11:21.760] think [11:21.760 --> 11:23.080] of it [11:23.080 --> 11:23.620] from the [11:23.620 --> 11:24.020] point of [11:24.020 --> 11:24.300] view [11:24.300 --> 11:24.940] as you [11:24.940 --> 11:25.380] as the [11:25.380 --> 11:25.880] student [11:25.880 --> 11:29.120] do not [11:29.120 --> 11:29.560] just think [11:29.560 --> 11:29.840] of the [11:29.840 --> 11:30.140] school [11:30.140 --> 11:30.380] because [11:30.380 --> 11:30.780] schools [11:30.780 --> 11:31.100] have [11:31.100 --> 11:32.040] lots [11:32.040 --> 11:32.200] of [11:32.200 --> 11:32.520] other [11:32.520 --> 11:33.200] functionality [11:33.200 --> 11:33.800] think [11:33.800 --> 11:34.360] of me [11:34.360 --> 11:34.960] as the [11:34.960 --> 11:35.440] lecturer [11:35.440 --> 11:36.500] who's [11:36.500 --> 11:36.840] dealing [11:36.840 --> 11:37.120] with [11:37.120 --> 11:37.520] somebody [11:37.520 --> 11:37.900] or the [11:37.900 --> 11:38.380] teacher [11:38.380 --> 11:39.460] think [11:39.460 --> 11:40.140] of me [11:40.140 --> 11:40.720] as [11:40.720 --> 11:42.000] the [11:42.000 --> 11:42.300] head [11:42.300 --> 11:42.460] of [11:42.460 --> 11:43.100] programs [11:43.100 --> 11:43.440] that [11:43.440 --> 11:43.640] where [11:43.640 --> 11:44.020] somebody [11:44.020 --> 11:44.320] comes [11:44.320 --> 11:44.600] to me [11:44.600 --> 11:44.740] and [11:44.740 --> 11:44.880] say [11:44.880 --> 11:45.220] hey [11:45.220 --> 11:45.540] Ingrid [11:45.540 --> 11:46.540] that often [11:46.540 --> 11:47.060] goes over [11:47.060 --> 11:47.680] my desk [11:47.680 --> 11:48.480] as hey [11:48.480 --> 11:48.820] Ingrid [11:48.820 --> 11:49.460] I'm struggling [11:49.460 --> 11:49.940] can I [11:49.940 --> 11:50.480] reduce my [11:50.480 --> 11:51.020] study load [11:51.020 --> 11:52.140] then we [11:52.140 --> 11:52.680] reduce it [11:52.680 --> 11:52.940] and then [11:52.940 --> 11:53.380] we'll say [11:53.380 --> 11:53.660] to the [11:53.660 --> 11:53.880] person [11:53.880 --> 11:54.260] hey [11:54.260 --> 11:55.020] just [11:55.020 --> 11:55.760] remember [11:55.760 --> 11:56.380] to come [11:56.380 --> 11:56.620] back [11:56.620 --> 11:57.000] end of [11:57.000 --> 11:57.400] semester [11:57.400 --> 11:58.060] to me [11:58.060 --> 11:58.880] so that [11:58.880 --> 11:59.260] we can [11:59.260 --> 11:59.560] plan [11:59.560 --> 12:00.100] your next [12:00.100 --> 12:01.300] six months [12:01.300 --> 12:02.620] I forget [12:02.620 --> 12:03.160] about that [12:03.160 --> 12:03.680] person [12:03.680 --> 12:04.620] and sometimes [12:04.620 --> 12:05.240] those people [12:05.240 --> 12:05.700] don't come [12:05.700 --> 12:06.300] back to me [12:06.300 --> 12:06.700] and then [12:06.700 --> 12:07.180] we've got [12:07.180 --> 12:07.800] chaos [12:07.800 --> 12:08.760] almost [12:08.760 --> 12:09.660] starting off [12:09.660 --> 12:10.000] so it [12:10.000 --> 12:10.180] is [12:10.180 --> 12:11.200] think of [12:11.200 --> 12:13.600] it as [12:13.600 --> 12:13.960] you [12:13.960 --> 12:14.740] what [12:14.740 --> 12:16.860] that will [12:16.860 --> 12:17.360] be helping [12:17.360 --> 12:17.960] us as well [12:17.960 --> 12:18.360] to say [12:18.360 --> 12:18.800] yeah [12:18.800 --> 12:19.480] that we [12:19.480 --> 12:20.240] forgot about [12:20.240 --> 12:20.760] or yeah [12:20.760 --> 12:21.600] this is a good [12:21.600 --> 12:21.860] idea [12:21.860 --> 12:22.300] or no [12:22.300 --> 12:22.880] we won't [12:22.880 --> 12:23.620] need that [12:23.620 --> 12:24.440] for now [12:24.440 --> 12:25.160] so even [12:25.160 --> 12:25.740] situation [12:25.740 --> 12:26.160] where [12:26.160 --> 12:26.940] like [12:26.940 --> 12:28.420] we've got [12:28.420 --> 12:29.240] you want [12:29.240 --> 12:29.680] to reduce [12:29.680 --> 12:30.000] your study [12:30.000 --> 12:30.240] load [12:30.240 --> 12:30.400] and you [12:30.400 --> 12:30.620] have to [12:30.620 --> 12:31.080] readjust [12:31.080 --> 12:31.280] your [12:31.280 --> 12:31.740] learning [12:31.740 --> 12:32.060] plan [12:32.060 --> 12:33.460] then what [12:33.460 --> 12:34.120] we could [12:34.120 --> 12:34.440] do [12:34.440 --> 12:34.980] is have [12:34.980 --> 12:35.240] something [12:35.240 --> 12:35.940] that says [12:35.940 --> 12:38.060] reminds you [12:38.060 --> 12:38.440] about the [12:38.440 --> 12:38.720] fact you've [12:38.720 --> 12:38.900] got to [12:38.900 --> 12:39.380] redo it [12:39.380 --> 12:39.820] but it [12:39.820 --> 12:40.340] also reminds [12:40.340 --> 12:40.580] us [12:40.580 --> 12:41.600] so that's [12:41.600 --> 12:41.860] what they [12:41.860 --> 12:42.340] could get [12:42.340 --> 12:42.960] built into [12:42.960 --> 12:43.460] the system [12:43.460 --> 12:43.840] to make [12:43.840 --> 12:44.380] our lives [12:44.380 --> 12:44.800] easier [12:44.800 --> 12:46.880] because [12:46.880 --> 12:48.120] I've got a [12:48.120 --> 12:48.600] memory like a [12:48.600 --> 12:49.000] sieve and I [12:49.000 --> 12:49.360] get too [12:49.360 --> 12:49.880] bloody many [12:49.880 --> 12:50.440] emails every [12:50.440 --> 12:50.700] week [12:50.700 --> 12:51.560] and I [12:51.560 --> 12:51.900] can probably [12:51.900 --> 12:52.340] check my [12:52.340 --> 12:52.600] emails [12:52.600 --> 12:53.340] three times [12:53.340 --> 12:53.560] a day [12:53.560 --> 12:53.940] three times [12:53.940 --> 12:54.120] a week [12:54.120 --> 12:54.520] that's it [12:54.520 --> 12:55.060] because that's [12:55.060 --> 12:55.380] the amount [12:55.380 --> 12:55.680] of time [12:55.680 --> 12:56.080] I have [12:56.080 --> 12:57.680] so we need [12:57.680 --> 12:58.140] things to [12:58.140 --> 12:58.680] make our [12:58.680 --> 12:59.440] lives easier [12:59.440 --> 13:00.000] and if [13:00.000 --> 13:00.300] something like [13:00.300 --> 13:00.580] this is [13:00.580 --> 13:00.940] available [13:00.940 --> 13:01.680] and it can [13:01.680 --> 13:02.120] be open [13:02.120 --> 13:02.680] a lot of [13:02.680 --> 13:02.900] the time [13:02.900 --> 13:03.160] it's like [13:03.160 --> 13:03.440] the help [13:03.440 --> 13:03.800] desk is [13:03.800 --> 13:03.960] going to [13:03.960 --> 13:04.200] be always [13:04.200 --> 13:04.700] open for [13:04.700 --> 13:04.940] me [13:04.940 --> 13:06.760] it's things [13:06.760 --> 13:07.300] I check [13:07.300 --> 13:07.740] on a regular [13:07.740 --> 13:08.100] basis [13:08.100 --> 13:09.120] it could [13:09.120 --> 13:09.420] become [13:09.420 --> 13:09.640] something I [13:09.640 --> 13:09.820] check [13:09.820 --> 13:10.080] on a regular [13:10.080 --> 13:10.460] basis [13:10.460 --> 13:11.440] one email [13:11.440 --> 13:12.740] email is [13:12.740 --> 13:13.060] like [13:13.060 --> 13:14.200] because you [13:14.200 --> 13:14.420] have to [13:14.420 --> 13:14.860] think so [13:14.860 --> 13:15.120] much [13:15.120 --> 13:15.600] so hard [13:15.600 --> 13:16.220] about them [13:16.220 --> 13:17.680] yeah [13:17.680 --> 13:18.600] right [13:18.600 --> 13:19.960] did you have [13:19.960 --> 13:20.200] any [13:20.200 --> 13:21.300] non-technical [13:21.300 --> 13:21.920] questions [13:21.920 --> 13:22.700] before we [13:22.700 --> 13:23.060] move on [13:23.060 --> 13:23.740] to tech [13:23.740 --> 13:24.040] stuff [13:24.040 --> 13:24.700] yeah [13:24.700 --> 13:25.060] so [13:25.060 --> 13:26.660] this [13:26.660 --> 13:27.760] solution [13:27.760 --> 13:28.440] so far [13:28.440 --> 13:28.880] it seems [13:28.880 --> 13:29.180] like it's [13:29.180 --> 13:30.120] been almost [13:30.120 --> 13:30.740] exclusively [13:30.740 --> 13:31.880] faculty [13:31.880 --> 13:32.320] facing [13:32.320 --> 13:33.680] did you [13:33.680 --> 13:34.180] expect there [13:34.180 --> 13:34.640] to be any [13:34.640 --> 13:35.020] kind of [13:35.020 --> 13:35.460] student [13:35.460 --> 13:35.820] facing [13:35.820 --> 13:36.160] aspect [13:36.160 --> 13:36.620] of this [13:36.620 --> 13:37.280] so something [13:37.280 --> 13:38.760] in some [13:38.760 --> 13:39.240] way that a [13:39.240 --> 13:39.700] student can [13:39.700 --> 13:40.200] interact with [13:40.200 --> 13:40.400] it [13:40.400 --> 13:42.080] I can't [13:42.080 --> 13:42.420] see why [13:42.420 --> 13:42.740] not [13:42.740 --> 13:43.220] yeah [13:43.220 --> 13:43.680] I think [13:43.680 --> 13:45.100] because it [13:45.100 --> 13:45.820] also opens [13:45.820 --> 13:46.020] the door [13:46.020 --> 13:46.260] for the [13:46.260 --> 13:46.640] people that [13:46.640 --> 13:46.960] don't want [13:46.960 --> 13:47.160] to have [13:47.160 --> 13:47.300] that [13:47.300 --> 13:47.800] conversation [13:47.800 --> 13:48.340] necessarily [13:48.340 --> 13:49.280] that would [13:49.280 --> 13:49.720] prefer to [13:49.720 --> 13:50.060] fill in a [13:50.060 --> 13:50.440] form or [13:50.440 --> 13:50.660] something [13:50.660 --> 13:51.680] and start [13:51.680 --> 13:52.160] that process [13:52.160 --> 13:53.880] with a [13:53.880 --> 13:54.500] system [13:54.500 --> 13:55.020] as opposed [13:55.020 --> 13:55.340] to a [13:55.340 --> 13:55.600] person [13:55.600 --> 13:56.700] yeah [13:56.700 --> 13:58.700] yeah [13:58.700 --> 13:59.300] yeah [13:59.300 --> 14:00.500] it's [14:00.500 --> 14:00.900] we've [14:00.900 --> 14:01.320] there are [14:01.320 --> 14:01.780] plenty of [14:01.780 --> 14:02.060] students [14:02.060 --> 14:02.980] who have [14:02.980 --> 14:04.440] a fear [14:04.440 --> 14:04.840] of public [14:04.840 --> 14:05.380] speaking [14:05.380 --> 14:05.800] a fear [14:05.800 --> 14:06.420] which even [14:06.420 --> 14:06.940] coming up [14:06.940 --> 14:07.280] and talking [14:07.280 --> 14:07.680] to one [14:07.680 --> 14:07.940] of us [14:07.940 --> 14:08.220] can be [14:08.220 --> 14:08.540] difficult [14:08.540 --> 14:08.960] to do [14:08.960 --> 14:12.580] we've [14:12.580 --> 14:13.080] had [14:13.080 --> 14:14.360] non-communicative [14:14.360 --> 14:15.460] high [14:15.460 --> 14:15.920] functioning [14:15.920 --> 14:16.340] autistic [14:16.340 --> 14:16.900] students [14:16.900 --> 14:18.600] so [14:18.600 --> 14:19.620] they would [14:19.620 --> 14:20.220] assist [14:20.220 --> 14:20.760] those sort [14:20.760 --> 14:21.060] of people [14:21.060 --> 14:21.520] as well [14:21.520 --> 14:22.640] especially [14:22.640 --> 14:23.200] those sort [14:23.200 --> 14:23.500] of people [14:23.500 --> 14:23.940] who have [14:23.940 --> 14:24.320] problems [14:24.320 --> 14:24.780] talking [14:24.780 --> 14:28.340] other aspects [14:28.340 --> 14:28.700] to it [14:28.700 --> 14:29.000] it could [14:29.000 --> 14:29.440] also [14:29.440 --> 14:30.160] help [14:30.160 --> 14:31.540] those people [14:31.540 --> 14:32.040] with physical [14:32.040 --> 14:32.520] disabilities [14:32.520 --> 14:33.000] as well [14:33.000 --> 14:33.420] because they [14:33.420 --> 14:33.900] may be able [14:33.900 --> 14:34.280] to interact [14:34.280 --> 14:34.540] with that [14:34.540 --> 14:34.900] easily [14:34.900 --> 14:35.400] and actually [14:35.400 --> 14:36.480] being in [14:36.480 --> 14:37.000] a face-to-face [14:37.000 --> 14:37.300] meeting [14:37.300 --> 14:37.660] for some [14:37.660 --> 14:37.860] reason [14:37.860 --> 14:38.880] so yeah [14:38.880 --> 14:39.420] I can't [14:39.420 --> 14:39.800] see why [14:39.800 --> 14:40.120] not [14:40.120 --> 14:40.920] but you [14:40.920 --> 14:41.360] then have [14:41.360 --> 14:41.820] to really [14:41.820 --> 14:42.360] consider [14:42.360 --> 14:42.980] your security [14:42.980 --> 14:43.420] issues [14:43.420 --> 14:44.500] behind it [14:44.500 --> 14:44.920] yeah [14:44.920 --> 14:45.560] and you [14:45.560 --> 14:45.920] need to [14:45.920 --> 14:46.580] think about [14:46.580 --> 14:46.980] this [14:46.980 --> 14:47.480] TAFE [14:47.480 --> 14:48.200] has one [14:48.200 --> 14:48.680] document [14:48.680 --> 14:49.140] only [14:49.140 --> 14:49.700] they've [14:49.700 --> 14:50.960] slim lined [14:50.960 --> 14:51.460] it now [14:51.460 --> 14:52.380] to students [14:52.380 --> 14:53.780] that needs [14:53.780 --> 14:54.660] to convey [14:54.660 --> 14:56.000] I need help [14:56.000 --> 14:56.680] they've got [14:56.680 --> 14:57.500] one form [14:57.500 --> 14:57.900] only [14:57.900 --> 14:59.260] and we'll [14:59.260 --> 14:59.740] have to [14:59.740 --> 15:00.300] think about [15:00.300 --> 15:01.160] how TAFE [15:01.160 --> 15:01.800] in the biggest [15:01.800 --> 15:02.300] sense [15:02.300 --> 15:03.200] will feel [15:03.200 --> 15:03.660] about the [15:03.660 --> 15:04.040] system [15:04.040 --> 15:05.900] it may [15:05.900 --> 15:06.160] be a [15:06.160 --> 15:06.580] situation [15:06.580 --> 15:07.000] where [15:07.000 --> 15:07.640] this is [15:07.640 --> 15:07.980] a [15:07.980 --> 15:09.200] proof [15:09.200 --> 15:09.540] of [15:09.540 --> 15:10.320] concept [15:10.320 --> 15:10.820] overall [15:10.820 --> 15:12.400] and [15:12.400 --> 15:12.700] we [15:12.700 --> 15:12.960] then [15:12.960 --> 15:13.540] say to [15:13.540 --> 15:13.960] TAFE [15:13.960 --> 15:14.200] well [15:14.200 --> 15:14.500] okay [15:14.500 --> 15:14.700] we've [15:14.700 --> 15:14.820] got [15:14.820 --> 15:15.020] this [15:15.020 --> 15:15.300] start [15:15.300 --> 15:15.640] point [15:15.640 --> 15:16.440] how [15:16.440 --> 15:16.640] can [15:16.640 --> 15:16.740] we [15:16.740 --> 15:17.080] integrate [15:17.080 --> 15:17.260] it [15:17.260 --> 15:17.360] with [15:17.360 --> 15:17.520] your [15:17.520 --> 15:18.020] systems [15:18.020 --> 15:18.880] how [15:18.880 --> 15:19.120] can [15:19.120 --> 15:19.240] we [15:19.240 --> 15:20.260] bring [15:20.260 --> 15:20.500] the [15:20.500 --> 15:20.720] two [15:20.720 --> 15:21.160] together [15:21.160 --> 15:21.900] and [15:21.900 --> 15:22.140] get [15:22.140 --> 15:22.600] data [15:22.600 --> 15:22.840] that [15:22.840 --> 15:23.220] you [15:23.220 --> 15:23.440] are [15:23.440 --> 15:23.740] already [15:23.740 --> 15:24.340] collecting [15:24.340 --> 15:25.080] that [15:25.080 --> 15:25.220] we [15:25.220 --> 15:25.360] can [15:25.360 --> 15:25.540] then [15:25.540 --> 15:25.780] use [15:25.780 --> 15:25.960] for [15:25.960 --> 15:26.300] us [15:26.300 --> 15:26.860] in [15:26.860 --> 15:27.000] a [15:27.000 --> 15:27.180] way [15:27.180 --> 15:27.340] that [15:27.340 --> 15:27.580] helps [15:27.580 --> 15:27.900] support [15:27.900 --> 15:28.200] us [15:28.200 --> 15:29.480] I [15:29.480 --> 15:29.720] can [15:29.720 --> 15:29.960] see [15:29.960 --> 15:30.180] this [15:30.180 --> 15:30.300] if [15:30.300 --> 15:30.420] it [15:30.420 --> 15:30.640] goes [15:30.640 --> 15:31.020] well [15:31.020 --> 15:31.820] not [15:31.820 --> 15:32.000] just [15:32.000 --> 15:32.200] being [15:32.200 --> 15:32.420] used [15:32.420 --> 15:32.620] by [15:34.040 --> 15:34.300] at [15:34.300 --> 15:34.720] Perth [15:34.720 --> 15:35.440] it [15:35.440 --> 15:35.960] goes [15:35.960 --> 15:36.360] through [15:36.360 --> 15:36.700] the [15:36.700 --> 15:37.100] whole [15:37.100 --> 15:37.640] of [15:37.640 --> 15:38.200] one [15:38.200 --> 15:38.500] north [15:38.500 --> 15:38.880] metro [15:38.880 --> 15:39.460] to [15:39.460 --> 15:40.280] TAFE [15:40.280 --> 15:40.720] WA [15:40.720 --> 15:41.720] the [15:41.720 --> 15:42.180] end [15:42.180 --> 15:42.520] point [15:42.520 --> 15:42.840] could [15:42.840 --> 15:43.020] be [15:43.020 --> 15:43.420] across [15:43.420 --> 15:43.620] the [15:43.620 --> 15:44.580] whole [15:44.580 --> 15:44.740] of [15:44.740 --> 15:44.960] TAFE [15:44.960 --> 15:45.500] it [15:45.500 --> 15:45.740] may [15:45.740 --> 15:45.900] end [15:45.900 --> 15:46.040] up [15:46.040 --> 15:46.660] going [15:46.660 --> 15:47.000] across [15:47.000 --> 15:47.120] the [15:47.120 --> 15:47.260] whole [15:47.260 --> 15:47.360] of [15:47.360 --> 15:47.440] the [15:47.440 --> 15:47.760] country [15:47.760 --> 15:48.140] if [15:48.140 --> 15:48.300] it [15:48.300 --> 15:48.620] proves [15:48.620 --> 15:48.820] to be [15:48.820 --> 15:48.980] good [15:48.980 --> 15:49.280] enough [15:49.280 --> 15:50.340] that's [15:50.340 --> 15:50.440] the [15:50.440 --> 15:50.620] sort [15:50.620 --> 15:50.700] of [15:50.700 --> 15:50.840] thing [15:50.840 --> 15:50.980] you [15:50.980 --> 15:51.100] could [15:51.100 --> 15:51.220] be [15:51.220 --> 15:51.360] ending [15:51.360 --> 15:51.580] up [15:51.580 --> 15:51.860] doing [15:51.860 --> 15:52.560] starting [15:52.560 --> 15:52.800] off [15:52.800 --> 15:52.920] in [15:52.920 --> 15:53.040] the [15:53.040 --> 15:53.360] system [15:53.360 --> 15:53.840] is [15:53.840 --> 15:54.980] possibly [15:54.980 --> 15:55.280] a [15:55.280 --> 15:55.480] whole [15:55.480 --> 15:55.620] of [15:55.620 --> 15:55.920] Australian [15:55.920 --> 15:56.260] wine [15:56.260 --> 15:57.740] so [15:57.740 --> 15:58.020] you've [15:58.020 --> 15:58.200] got [15:58.200 --> 15:59.220] some [15:59.220 --> 15:59.700] big [15:59.700 --> 16:00.480] goals [16:00.480 --> 16:01.220] but at [16:01.220 --> 16:01.300] the [16:01.300 --> 16:01.480] same [16:01.480 --> 16:01.740] time [16:01.740 --> 16:02.020] don't [16:02.020 --> 16:02.280] panic [16:02.280 --> 16:02.440] about [16:02.440 --> 16:02.600] that [16:02.600 --> 16:02.860] think [16:02.860 --> 16:03.100] about [16:03.100 --> 16:03.300] just [16:03.300 --> 16:03.540] how [16:03.540 --> 16:03.700] you [16:03.700 --> 16:03.840] can [16:03.840 --> 16:04.260] help [16:04.260 --> 16:04.740] us [16:04.740 --> 16:06.000] with [16:06.000 --> 16:06.120] the [16:06.120 --> 16:06.340] start [16:06.340 --> 16:06.640] point [16:06.640 --> 16:07.180] that's [16:07.180 --> 16:07.660] exciting [16:07.660 --> 16:10.420] alright [16:10.420 --> 16:12.100] just [16:12.100 --> 16:12.260] one [16:12.260 --> 16:12.460] more [16:12.460 --> 16:13.320] question [16:13.320 --> 16:13.620] before [16:13.620 --> 16:13.720] we [16:13.720 --> 16:13.880] move [16:13.880 --> 16:14.080] on [16:14.080 --> 16:14.220] to [16:14.220 --> 16:14.620] text [16:14.620 --> 16:17.020] what [16:17.020 --> 16:17.360] other [16:17.360 --> 16:18.120] stakeholders [16:18.120 --> 16:18.460] or [16:18.460 --> 16:18.740] other [16:18.740 --> 16:18.980] people [16:18.980 --> 16:19.200] should [16:19.200 --> 16:19.340] we [16:19.340 --> 16:19.580] be [16:19.580 --> 16:19.940] talking [16:19.940 --> 16:21.000] to [16:21.000 --> 16:21.260] as [16:21.260 --> 16:21.480] such [16:21.480 --> 16:21.680] during [16:21.680 --> 16:21.820] this [16:21.820 --> 16:22.120] process [16:22.120 --> 16:22.340] I [16:22.340 --> 16:22.480] know [16:22.480 --> 16:22.620] you [16:22.620 --> 16:22.840] already [16:22.840 --> 16:23.000] brought [16:23.000 --> 16:23.500] up [16:23.500 --> 16:25.200] Petro [16:25.200 --> 16:27.860] from [16:27.860 --> 16:28.240] the [16:28.240 --> 16:28.760] learners [16:28.760 --> 16:29.060] support [16:29.060 --> 16:29.760] they [16:29.760 --> 16:29.900] would [16:29.900 --> 16:30.000] be [16:30.000 --> 16:30.080] a [16:30.080 --> 16:30.220] group [16:30.220 --> 16:31.360] people [16:31.360 --> 16:31.540] to [16:31.540 --> 16:33.220] integrate [16:33.220 --> 16:33.440] with [16:33.440 --> 16:33.780] or ask [16:33.780 --> 16:34.240] questions [16:34.240 --> 16:34.540] to [16:34.540 --> 16:35.340] more [16:35.340 --> 16:35.760] about [16:35.760 --> 16:36.320] not [16:36.320 --> 16:37.020] necessarily [16:37.020 --> 16:39.240] because [16:39.240 --> 16:39.740] I [16:39.740 --> 16:40.160] think [16:40.160 --> 16:40.320] there [16:40.320 --> 16:40.560] might [16:40.560 --> 16:40.700] be [16:40.700 --> 16:40.840] a [16:40.840 --> 16:41.180] very [16:41.180 --> 16:42.120] clear [16:42.120 --> 16:42.660] line [16:42.660 --> 16:43.100] between [16:43.100 --> 16:43.780] what [16:43.780 --> 16:44.200] they're [16:44.200 --> 16:44.520] doing [16:44.520 --> 16:44.840] versus [16:44.840 --> 16:45.120] what [16:45.120 --> 16:45.360] you're [16:45.360 --> 16:45.600] going [16:45.600 --> 16:45.760] to [16:45.760 --> 16:46.000] do [16:46.000 --> 16:46.580] but [16:46.580 --> 16:46.840] that's [16:46.840 --> 16:46.980] not [16:46.980 --> 16:47.120] to [16:47.120 --> 16:47.260] say [16:47.260 --> 16:47.380] that [16:47.380 --> 16:47.480] you [16:47.480 --> 16:47.800] can't [16:47.800 --> 16:48.400] understand [16:48.400 --> 16:48.960] or [16:48.960 --> 16:49.240] get [16:49.240 --> 16:51.340] input [16:51.340 --> 16:51.720] from [16:51.720 --> 16:51.900] them [16:51.900 --> 16:52.160] as [16:52.160 --> 16:52.340] to [16:52.340 --> 16:52.720] how [16:52.720 --> 16:53.360] you [16:53.360 --> 16:53.640] might [16:53.640 --> 16:53.800] be [16:53.800 --> 16:53.960] able [16:53.960 --> 16:54.220] to [16:54.220 --> 16:54.700] assist [16:54.700 --> 16:55.040] or [16:55.040 --> 16:56.580] how [16:56.580 --> 16:56.820] this [16:56.820 --> 16:57.000] might [16:57.000 --> 16:57.180] be [16:57.180 --> 16:57.820] considerate [16:57.820 --> 16:58.040] of [16:58.040 --> 16:58.260] what [16:58.260 --> 16:58.480] they're [16:58.480 --> 16:58.820] doing [16:58.820 --> 17:00.760] when [17:00.760 --> 17:00.860] it [17:00.860 --> 17:01.060] comes [17:01.060 --> 17:01.200] to [17:01.200 --> 17:01.680] contacting [17:01.680 --> 17:02.200] them [17:02.200 --> 17:02.820] please [17:02.820 --> 17:03.080] go [17:03.080 --> 17:03.560] through [17:03.560 --> 17:04.120] Aaron [17:04.120 --> 17:05.580] alright [17:05.580 --> 17:05.980] so [17:05.980 --> 17:07.060] Aaron [17:07.060 --> 17:07.460] do [17:07.460 --> 17:07.620] the [17:07.620 --> 17:08.100] introductions [17:08.100 --> 17:08.540] to [17:08.540 --> 17:08.920] save [17:08.920 --> 17:09.480] the [17:09.480 --> 17:09.740] current [17:09.740 --> 17:10.100] answer [17:10.100 --> 17:10.820] couple [17:10.820 --> 17:10.940] of [17:10.940 --> 17:11.120] people [17:11.120 --> 17:11.320] from [17:11.320 --> 17:11.480] each [17:11.480 --> 17:11.580] of [17:11.580 --> 17:11.640] the [17:11.640 --> 17:12.020] teams [17:12.020 --> 17:12.920] so [17:12.920 --> 17:13.280] at least [17:13.280 --> 17:13.600] then [17:13.600 --> 17:14.100] Petro [17:14.100 --> 17:14.420] knows [17:14.420 --> 17:14.620] where [17:14.620 --> 17:14.760] it's [17:14.760 --> 17:15.000] coming [17:15.000 --> 17:15.280] from [17:15.280 --> 17:15.540] what's [17:15.540 --> 17:15.760] going [17:15.760 --> 17:16.060] on [17:16.060 --> 17:16.260] and [17:16.260 --> 17:16.340] the [17:16.340 --> 17:16.500] full [17:16.500 --> 17:16.900] background [17:16.900 --> 17:17.140] to [17:17.140 --> 17:17.500] it [17:17.500 --> 17:18.320] there [17:18.320 --> 17:18.800] should [17:18.800 --> 17:19.040] be [17:19.040 --> 17:20.200] better [17:20.200 --> 17:20.760] document [17:20.760 --> 17:21.240] to [17:21.240 --> 17:21.660] present [17:21.660 --> 17:21.860] to [17:21.860 --> 17:22.120] them [17:22.120 --> 17:23.300] the [17:23.300 --> 17:23.800] ideas [17:23.800 --> 17:24.020] and [17:24.020 --> 17:24.280] things [17:24.280 --> 17:25.940] I [17:25.940 --> 17:26.220] just [17:26.220 --> 17:26.460] see [17:26.460 --> 17:26.920] now [17:26.920 --> 17:27.800] dangerous [17:27.800 --> 17:28.360] signs [17:28.360 --> 17:29.140] and [17:29.140 --> 17:29.660] before [17:29.660 --> 17:29.920] you [17:29.920 --> 17:30.120] don't [17:30.120 --> 17:30.360] have [17:30.360 --> 17:30.540] a [17:30.540 --> 17:30.860] decent [17:30.860 --> 17:31.360] document [17:31.360 --> 17:31.580] to [17:31.580 --> 17:31.740] say [17:31.740 --> 17:31.960] this [17:31.960 --> 17:32.120] is [17:32.120 --> 17:32.260] the [17:32.260 --> 17:32.700] proposal [17:32.700 --> 17:33.320] this [17:33.320 --> 17:33.460] is [17:33.460 --> 17:33.620] what [17:33.620 --> 17:34.160] everything [17:34.160 --> 17:35.200] people [17:35.200 --> 17:35.780] can [17:35.780 --> 17:36.300] really [17:36.300 --> 17:37.540] on [17:37.540 --> 17:37.740] that [17:37.740 --> 17:38.140] level [17:38.140 --> 17:38.720] see [17:38.720 --> 17:39.040] how [17:39.040 --> 17:39.360] it [17:39.360 --> 17:39.960] because [17:39.960 --> 17:40.240] like [17:40.240 --> 17:40.580] Addy [17:40.580 --> 17:41.020] says [17:41.020 --> 17:41.660] it [17:41.660 --> 17:41.780] is [17:41.780 --> 17:42.240] amazing [17:42.240 --> 17:42.520] to [17:42.520 --> 17:42.920] think [17:42.920 --> 17:43.260] it [17:43.260 --> 17:43.540] can [17:43.540 --> 17:43.860] be [17:43.860 --> 17:44.600] this [17:44.600 --> 17:44.860] big [17:44.860 --> 17:45.320] system [17:45.320 --> 17:46.020] and [17:46.020 --> 17:46.420] because [17:46.420 --> 17:47.080] I [17:47.080 --> 17:47.500] also [17:47.500 --> 17:47.860] see [17:47.860 --> 17:48.140] this [17:48.140 --> 17:48.380] as [17:48.380 --> 17:48.660] this [17:48.660 --> 17:49.140] bigger [17:49.140 --> 17:49.620] system [17:49.620 --> 17:49.900] than [17:49.900 --> 17:50.200] just [17:50.200 --> 17:51.700] our [17:51.700 --> 17:52.320] portfolio [17:52.320 --> 17:52.860] that [17:52.860 --> 17:53.140] makes [17:53.140 --> 17:53.320] it [17:53.320 --> 17:53.700] scary [17:53.700 --> 17:54.060] in the [17:54.060 --> 17:54.320] sense [17:54.320 --> 17:54.680] that [17:54.680 --> 17:55.240] you [17:55.240 --> 17:55.440] want [17:55.440 --> 17:55.560] to [17:55.560 --> 17:55.700] get [17:55.700 --> 17:55.840] it [17:55.840 --> 17:56.180] right [17:56.180 --> 17:57.220] and [17:57.220 --> 17:57.340] you [17:57.340 --> 17:57.620] want [17:57.620 --> 17:58.540] security [17:58.540 --> 17:58.920] right [17:58.920 --> 18:02.100] buy [18:02.100 --> 18:02.420] in [18:02.420 --> 18:02.700] at the [18:02.700 --> 18:02.860] end [18:02.860 --> 18:03.020] of [18:03.020 --> 18:03.140] the [18:03.140 --> 18:03.320] day [18:03.320 --> 18:03.780] almost [18:03.780 --> 18:05.020] top [18:05.020 --> 18:05.340] level [18:05.340 --> 18:06.600] that's [18:06.600 --> 18:06.700] the [18:06.700 --> 18:06.860] other [18:06.860 --> 18:07.040] reason [18:07.040 --> 18:07.200] why [18:07.200 --> 18:07.280] I [18:07.280 --> 18:07.480] said [18:07.480 --> 18:07.800] think [18:07.800 --> 18:08.100] small [18:08.100 --> 18:08.480] first [18:08.480 --> 18:09.580] even [18:09.580 --> 18:10.060] if [18:10.060 --> 18:10.160] we [18:10.160 --> 18:10.300] get [18:10.300 --> 18:10.480] one [18:10.480 --> 18:10.600] or [18:10.600 --> 18:10.760] two [18:10.760 --> 18:11.220] features [18:11.220 --> 18:11.620] running [18:11.620 --> 18:12.860] that's [18:12.860 --> 18:13.420] a [18:13.420 --> 18:13.840] start [18:13.840 --> 18:14.160] and that [18:14.160 --> 18:14.240] will [18:14.240 --> 18:14.660] assist [18:14.660 --> 18:15.340] everybody [18:15.340 --> 18:16.040] to see [18:16.040 --> 18:16.520] where [18:16.520 --> 18:17.380] the [18:17.380 --> 18:17.860] concept [18:17.860 --> 18:18.200] is [18:18.200 --> 18:18.540] going [18:18.540 --> 18:18.900] and what [18:18.900 --> 18:19.040] we [18:19.040 --> 18:19.200] want [18:19.200 --> 18:19.300] to [18:19.300 --> 18:19.480] try [18:19.480 --> 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18:35.400] behaviours [18:35.400 --> 18:36.140] if [18:36.140 --> 18:38.100] a [18:38.100 --> 18:38.300] student [18:38.300 --> 18:38.560] has [18:38.560 --> 18:39.000] a [18:39.000 --> 18:40.640] learning [18:40.640 --> 18:41.180] disability [18:41.180 --> 18:41.720] maybe [18:41.720 --> 18:41.960] that [18:41.960 --> 18:42.560] information [18:42.560 --> 18:43.120] can be [18:43.120 --> 18:43.540] provided [18:43.540 --> 18:43.800] to [18:43.800 --> 18:44.480] the [18:44.480 --> 18:45.240] lecturer [18:45.240 --> 18:46.280] so [18:46.280 --> 18:46.480] that [18:46.480 --> 18:47.900] comes [18:47.900 --> 18:48.100] via [18:48.100 --> 18:48.240] the [18:48.240 --> 18:48.660] LSP [18:48.660 --> 18:49.020] the [18:49.020 --> 18:49.220] learning [18:49.220 --> 18:49.480] support [18:49.480 --> 18:49.760] plan [18:49.760 --> 18:50.340] and [18:50.340 --> 18:50.500] that [18:50.500 --> 18:50.640] is [18:50.640 --> 18:50.860] quite [18:50.860 --> 18:51.280] secure [18:51.280 --> 18:52.860] and [18:52.860 --> 18:53.060] that [18:53.060 --> 18:53.220] is [18:53.220 --> 18:53.420] where [18:53.420 --> 18:54.420] when [18:54.420 --> 18:54.560] I [18:54.560 --> 18:54.740] was [18:54.740 --> 18:54.880] in [18:54.880 --> 18:55.240] schools [18:55.240 --> 18:55.440] it [18:55.440 --> 18:55.620] was [18:55.620 --> 18:55.920] even [18:55.920 --> 18:56.420] not [18:56.420 --> 18:57.980] allowed [18:57.980 --> 18:58.240] at [18:58.240 --> 18:58.500] one [18:58.500 --> 18:59.080] point [18:59.080 --> 19:00.040] on [19:00.040 --> 19:00.620] our [19:00.620 --> 19:01.500] cell [19:01.500 --> 19:01.760] cat [19:01.760 --> 19:03.040] where [19:03.040 --> 19:03.280] we [19:03.280 --> 19:03.760] registered [19:03.760 --> 19:04.040] our [19:04.040 --> 19:04.360] president [19:04.360 --> 19:04.540] or [19:04.540 --> 19:04.800] not [19:04.800 --> 19:05.200] president [19:05.200 --> 19:05.820] in [19:05.820 --> 19:05.940] the [19:05.940 --> 19:06.260] beginning [19:06.260 --> 19:06.660] days [19:06.660 --> 19:06.880] they [19:06.880 --> 19:07.120] had [19:07.120 --> 19:07.240] a [19:07.240 --> 19:07.400] little [19:07.400 --> 19:07.860] icon [19:07.860 --> 19:08.180] that [19:08.180 --> 19:09.420] you [19:09.420 --> 19:09.640] as [19:09.640 --> 19:09.860] a [19:09.860 --> 19:10.220] teacher [19:10.220 --> 19:10.640] knew [19:10.640 --> 19:10.880] the [19:10.880 --> 19:11.200] student [19:11.200 --> 19:11.700] has [19:11.700 --> 19:12.120] a [19:12.120 --> 19:12.320] learning [19:12.320 --> 19:12.680] support [19:12.680 --> 19:13.060] plan [19:13.060 --> 19:13.500] or [19:13.500 --> 19:14.400] need [19:14.400 --> 19:14.920] tender [19:14.920 --> 19:15.180] loving [19:15.180 --> 19:15.540] care [19:15.540 --> 19:15.780] for [19:15.780 --> 19:15.960] a [19:15.960 --> 19:16.240] week [19:16.240 --> 19:16.520] or [19:16.520 --> 19:17.040] for [19:17.040 --> 19:17.400] different [19:17.400 --> 19:17.700] things [19:17.700 --> 19:17.820] there [19:17.820 --> 19:17.900] were [19:17.900 --> 19:18.120] little [19:18.120 --> 19:18.560] codes [19:18.560 --> 19:18.820] and [19:18.820 --> 19:19.040] we [19:19.040 --> 19:19.380] had [19:19.380 --> 19:19.580] to [19:19.580 --> 19:20.060] remove [19:20.060 --> 19:20.380] it [19:20.380 --> 19:21.200] because [19:21.200 --> 19:21.600] students [19:21.600 --> 19:21.800] can [19:21.800 --> 19:22.360] accidentally [19:23.220 --> 19:24.000] your cell [19:24.000 --> 19:24.300] cat [19:24.300 --> 19:24.600] roll [19:24.600 --> 19:25.840] so [19:25.840 --> 19:27.420] that is [19:27.420 --> 19:27.680] why I [19:27.680 --> 19:27.940] say [19:27.940 --> 19:28.340] this [19:28.340 --> 19:28.620] is [19:28.620 --> 19:28.820] for [19:28.820 --> 19:29.060] us [19:29.060 --> 19:29.320] very [19:29.320 --> 19:29.920] handy [19:29.920 --> 19:30.820] as [19:30.820 --> 19:31.040] long [19:31.040 --> 19:31.200] as [19:31.200 --> 19:31.380] it's [19:31.380 --> 19:31.680] very [19:31.680 --> 19:32.280] enclosed [19:32.280 --> 19:32.520] and [19:32.520 --> 19:33.460] to [19:33.460 --> 19:33.960] have [19:33.960 --> 19:34.240] just [19:34.240 --> 19:34.520] an [19:34.520 --> 19:34.820] icon [19:34.820 --> 19:35.280] if [19:35.280 --> 19:35.500] there's [19:35.500 --> 19:35.600] a [19:35.600 --> 19:35.800] little [19:35.800 --> 19:36.540] blue [19:36.540 --> 19:36.940] dot [19:36.940 --> 19:37.680] perhaps [19:37.680 --> 19:37.920] I [19:37.920 --> 19:38.080] don't [19:38.080 --> 19:38.240] know [19:38.240 --> 19:38.440] I'm [19:38.440 --> 19:38.620] just [19:38.620 --> 19:39.160] guessing [19:39.160 --> 19:39.360] now [19:39.360 --> 19:39.460] but [19:39.460 --> 19:39.680] little [19:39.680 --> 19:39.940] blue [19:39.940 --> 19:40.220] dot [19:40.220 --> 19:40.660] that [19:40.660 --> 19:40.920] says [19:40.920 --> 19:41.140] this [19:41.140 --> 19:41.440] person [19:41.440 --> 19:41.780] has [19:41.780 --> 19:41.920] a [19:41.920 --> 19:42.100] learning [19:42.100 --> 19:42.440] support [19:42.440 --> 19:42.740] plan [19:42.740 --> 19:43.080] or [19:43.080 --> 19:44.780] it [19:44.780 --> 19:45.000] might [19:45.000 --> 19:45.200] be [19:45.200 --> 19:45.460] yellow [19:45.460 --> 19:45.820] because [19:45.820 --> 19:46.040] there's [19:46.040 --> 19:46.120] a [19:46.120 --> 19:46.300] learning [19:46.300 --> 19:46.680] support [19:46.680 --> 19:46.960] plan [19:46.960 --> 19:47.120] and [19:47.120 --> 19:47.280] blue [19:47.280 --> 19:47.560] because [19:47.560 --> 19:47.700] the [19:47.700 --> 19:47.920] person [19:47.920 --> 19:48.220] feels [19:48.220 --> 19:48.360] a [19:48.360 --> 19:48.460] little [19:48.460 --> 19:48.840] blue [19:48.840 --> 19:49.020] at [19:49.020 --> 19:49.220] this [19:49.220 --> 19:49.560] moment [19:49.560 --> 19:50.160] or [19:50.160 --> 19:50.680] whatever [19:50.680 --> 19:51.440] that [19:51.440 --> 19:51.720] we've [19:51.720 --> 19:51.900] got [19:51.900 --> 19:52.060] an [19:52.060 --> 19:52.700] indication [19:52.700 --> 19:53.180] but [19:53.180 --> 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want [20:06.420 --> 20:06.660] it [20:06.660 --> 20:07.280] spread [20:07.280 --> 20:07.620] onto [20:07.620 --> 20:08.000] another [20:08.000 --> 20:08.460] system [20:08.460 --> 20:09.040] it's [20:09.040 --> 20:09.160] just [20:09.160 --> 20:09.300] a [20:09.300 --> 20:09.520] high [20:09.520 --> 20:09.800] risk [20:09.800 --> 20:11.120] for [20:11.120 --> 20:12.920] attacks [20:12.920 --> 20:13.740] I [20:13.740 --> 20:14.380] think [20:14.380 --> 20:14.860] the [20:14.860 --> 20:15.080] idea [20:15.080 --> 20:15.300] would [20:15.300 --> 20:15.480] be [20:15.480 --> 20:15.800] to [20:15.800 --> 20:16.320] at [20:16.320 --> 20:16.480] least [20:16.480 --> 20:17.000] indicate [20:17.000 --> 20:17.200] what [20:17.200 --> 20:17.320] it [20:17.320 --> 20:18.000] is [20:18.000 --> 20:19.160] current [20:19.160 --> 20:19.580] LSP [20:19.580 --> 20:21.500] and [20:21.500 --> 20:21.680] then [20:21.680 --> 20:21.900] from [20:21.900 --> 20:22.440] there [20:22.440 --> 20:23.080] there [20:23.080 --> 20:23.300] are [20:23.300 --> 20:23.720] internal [20:23.720 --> 20:24.220] systems [20:24.220 --> 20:24.380] that [20:24.380 --> 20:24.480] we [20:24.480 --> 20:24.640] can [20:24.640 --> 20:24.800] then [20:24.800 --> 20:25.020] go [20:25.020 --> 20:25.340] through [20:25.340 --> 20:27.180] the [20:27.180 --> 20:27.580] lecturers [20:27.580 --> 20:27.760] who [20:27.760 --> 20:27.900] are [20:27.900 --> 20:28.260] currently [20:28.260 --> 20:28.840] teaching [20:28.840 --> 20:29.180] that [20:29.180 --> 20:29.500] particular [20:29.500 --> 20:29.860] student [20:29.860 --> 20:30.240] at [20:30.240 --> 20:30.400] the [20:30.400 --> 20:30.980] moment [20:30.980 --> 20:31.640] get [20:31.640 --> 20:31.820] a [20:31.820 --> 20:32.060] copy [20:32.060 --> 20:32.180] of [20:32.180 --> 20:32.260] the [20:32.260 --> 20:32.640] LSP [20:32.640 --> 20:32.980] so [20:32.980 --> 20:33.140] it [20:33.140 --> 20:33.280] just [20:33.280 --> 20:33.640] reminds [20:33.640 --> 20:33.800] us [20:33.800 --> 20:33.920] we [20:33.920 --> 20:34.080] do [20:34.080 --> 20:34.260] have [20:34.260 --> 20:34.380] a [20:34.380 --> 20:34.660] copy [20:34.660 --> 20:36.800] and [20:36.800 --> 20:37.040] in [20:37.040 --> 20:37.580] terms [20:37.580 --> 20:37.860] of [20:37.860 --> 20:38.440] the [20:38.440 --> 20:38.720] actual [20:38.720 --> 20:39.260] information [20:39.260 --> 20:39.640] that's [20:39.640 --> 20:40.040] displayed [20:40.040 --> 20:40.300] I [20:40.300 --> 20:40.560] think [20:40.560 --> 20:41.000] it [20:41.000 --> 20:41.080] would [20:41.080 --> 20:41.200] be [20:41.200 --> 20:41.460] more [20:41.460 --> 20:42.420] important [20:42.420 --> 20:42.740] like [20:42.740 --> 20:43.120] what [20:43.120 --> 20:43.420] support [20:43.420 --> 20:43.580] they [20:43.580 --> 20:43.980] need [20:43.980 --> 20:44.380] instead [20:44.380 --> 20:44.580] of [20:44.580 --> 20:45.020] why [20:45.020 --> 20:45.940] and [20:45.940 --> 20:46.100] that [20:46.100 --> 20:46.340] way [20:46.340 --> 20:46.860] you're [20:46.860 --> 20:47.100] able [20:47.100 --> 20:47.460] to [20:47.460 --> 20:48.160] because [20:48.160 --> 20:48.440] I've [20:48.440 --> 20:48.560] had [20:48.560 --> 20:48.860] a [20:48.860 --> 20:49.860] LSP [20:49.860 --> 20:50.100] in [20:50.100 --> 20:51.280] South [20:51.280 --> 20:51.600] Metro [20:51.600 --> 20:51.880] so [20:51.880 --> 20:52.040] I've [20:52.040 --> 20:52.240] been [20:52.240 --> 20:52.800] through [20:52.800 --> 20:53.040] this [20:53.040 --> 20:53.380] before [20:53.380 --> 20:55.220] and [20:55.220 --> 20:55.360] that [20:55.360 --> 20:55.500] way [20:55.500 --> 20:55.620] you [20:55.620 --> 20:55.760] don't [20:55.760 --> 20:55.960] have [20:55.960 --> 20:56.080] to [20:56.080 --> 20:56.520] share [20:56.520 --> 20:57.140] as [20:57.140 --> 20:57.800] specific [20:57.800 --> 20:58.520] information [20:58.520 --> 20:58.920] that's [20:58.920 --> 20:59.320] personal [20:59.320 --> 21:00.640] it [21:00.640 --> 21:00.860] might [21:00.860 --> 21:03.220] be [21:03.220 --> 21:03.580] easier [21:03.580 --> 21:03.900] to [21:03.900 --> 21:05.220] might [21:05.220 --> 21:05.360] be [21:05.360 --> 21:05.560] able [21:05.560 --> 21:05.760] to [21:05.760 --> 21:05.940] store [21:05.940 --> 21:06.160] that [21:06.160 --> 21:06.340] sort [21:06.340 --> 21:06.400] of [21:06.400 --> 21:06.620] thing [21:06.620 --> 21:07.740] especially [21:07.740 --> 21:07.920] if [21:07.920 --> 21:07.980] the [21:07.980 --> 21:08.180] student [21:08.180 --> 21:08.440] says [21:08.440 --> 21:08.780] yes [21:08.780 --> 21:10.300] that's [21:10.300 --> 21:10.380] the [21:10.380 --> 21:10.500] other [21:10.500 --> 21:10.700] thing [21:10.700 --> 21:10.980] to do [21:10.980 --> 21:11.060] is [21:11.060 --> 21:11.200] we [21:11.200 --> 21:11.440] get [21:11.440 --> 21:11.820] permission [21:11.820 --> 21:12.080] if [21:12.080 --> 21:12.440] a [21:12.440 --> 21:12.660] student [21:12.660 --> 21:12.960] says [21:12.960 --> 21:13.580] we're [21:13.580 --> 21:13.840] able [21:13.840 --> 21:13.980] to [21:13.980 --> 21:14.300] keep [21:14.300 --> 21:15.600] simple [21:15.600 --> 21:15.900] stuff [21:15.900 --> 21:16.220] like [21:16.220 --> 21:16.960] the [21:16.960 --> 21:17.400] basics [21:17.400 --> 21:17.600] of [21:17.600 --> 21:17.740] what [21:17.740 --> 21:17.900] they [21:17.900 --> 21:18.080] need [21:18.080 --> 21:18.180] to [21:18.180 --> 21:18.320] be [21:18.320 --> 21:18.680] supported [21:18.680 --> 21:19.560] on [21:19.560 --> 21:19.700] the [21:19.700 --> 21:20.060] system [21:20.060 --> 21:20.460] that [21:20.460 --> 21:20.620] would [21:20.620 --> 21:20.840] be [21:20.840 --> 21:21.520] that's [21:21.520 --> 21:21.880] not [21:21.880 --> 21:22.180] then [21:22.180 --> 21:22.680] disclosing [21:22.680 --> 21:22.860] the [21:22.860 --> 21:23.020] full [21:23.020 --> 21:23.640] LSP [21:23.640 --> 21:24.100] which gives [21:24.100 --> 21:24.320] you the [21:24.320 --> 21:24.460] full [21:24.460 --> 21:24.980] background [21:24.980 --> 21:25.560] of the [21:25.560 --> 21:25.920] student [21:25.920 --> 21:26.340] what's [21:26.340 --> 21:26.520] going [21:26.520 --> 21:26.700] on [21:26.700 --> 21:27.040] etc [21:27.040 --> 21:27.800] at least [21:27.800 --> 21:27.920] it [21:27.920 --> 21:28.620] tells [21:28.620 --> 21:28.820] people [21:28.820 --> 21:29.040] hey [21:29.040 --> 21:29.820] they need [21:29.820 --> 21:30.120] an extra [21:30.120 --> 21:31.020] 20 minutes [21:31.020 --> 21:31.500] or so [21:31.500 --> 21:32.040] for reading [21:32.040 --> 21:32.500] purposes [21:32.500 --> 21:33.200] all they need [21:33.200 --> 21:34.600] to do [21:34.600 --> 21:34.940] their [21:34.940 --> 21:36.400] assessment [21:36.400 --> 21:36.940] orally [21:36.940 --> 21:37.360] because [21:37.360 --> 21:38.180] that's it [21:38.180 --> 21:38.920] we don't [21:38.920 --> 21:39.100] need to [21:39.100 --> 21:39.440] know why [21:39.440 --> 21:39.740] it's just [21:39.740 --> 21:39.940] the fact [21:39.940 --> 21:40.340] they need [21:40.340 --> 21:40.660] that [21:40.660 --> 21:43.640] and that [21:43.640 --> 21:43.940] might be [21:43.940 --> 21:44.280] where that [21:44.280 --> 21:44.620] difference [21:44.620 --> 21:45.000] between [21:45.000 --> 21:45.440] access [21:45.440 --> 21:45.680] to [21:45.680 --> 21:46.100] comes in [21:46.100 --> 21:46.280] because [21:46.280 --> 21:46.540] you might [21:46.540 --> 21:46.720] have [21:46.720 --> 21:47.080] the likes [21:47.080 --> 21:47.320] of the [21:47.320 --> 21:47.580] hops [21:47.580 --> 21:47.980] or whoever [21:47.980 --> 21:48.660] from [21:48.660 --> 21:49.080] maybe [21:49.080 --> 21:49.680] you have [21:49.680 --> 21:50.180] someone [21:50.180 --> 21:50.620] from [21:50.620 --> 21:51.020] the [21:51.020 --> 21:51.360] learning [21:51.360 --> 21:51.760] support [21:51.760 --> 21:52.460] actually [21:52.460 --> 21:52.940] coming in [21:52.940 --> 21:53.340] and putting [21:53.340 --> 21:53.920] those things [21:53.920 --> 21:54.300] in for [21:54.300 --> 21:54.760] students [21:54.760 --> 21:55.640] once they're [21:55.640 --> 21:56.260] designed [21:56.260 --> 21:56.860] then [21:56.860 --> 21:58.600] it's not [21:58.600 --> 21:59.280] managed by [21:59.280 --> 21:59.460] us [21:59.460 --> 22:00.100] it's managed [22:00.100 --> 22:00.540] by them [22:00.540 --> 22:00.860] and set [22:00.860 --> 22:01.220] by them [22:01.220 --> 22:01.680] or by the [22:01.680 --> 22:01.980] students [22:01.980 --> 22:02.480] effectively [22:02.480 --> 22:02.760] then [22:02.760 --> 22:03.460] too [22:03.460 --> 22:05.640] because [22:05.640 --> 22:06.020] the student [22:06.020 --> 22:06.480] says no [22:06.480 --> 22:06.920] disclosure [22:06.920 --> 22:07.260] and it's [22:07.260 --> 22:07.440] no [22:07.440 --> 22:07.840] disclosure [22:07.840 --> 22:08.920] and that [22:08.920 --> 22:09.320] is important [22:09.320 --> 22:09.600] to note [22:09.600 --> 22:09.960] that's why [22:09.960 --> 22:10.840] that document [22:10.840 --> 22:12.500] is sensitive [22:12.500 --> 22:13.220] in that sense [22:13.220 --> 22:13.520] because it [22:13.520 --> 22:13.800] may not [22:13.800 --> 22:14.340] actually even [22:14.340 --> 22:14.900] be shared [22:14.900 --> 22:16.040] to us [22:16.040 --> 22:17.180] it could be [22:17.180 --> 22:17.660] something that's [22:17.660 --> 22:18.280] just for the [22:18.280 --> 22:18.740] student [22:18.740 --> 22:19.440] but obviously [22:19.440 --> 22:19.960] it makes sense [22:19.960 --> 22:20.720] typically it does [22:20.720 --> 22:21.140] get to us [22:21.140 --> 22:21.580] because we need [22:21.580 --> 22:21.920] to meet the [22:21.920 --> 22:22.180] adjustments [22:22.180 --> 22:23.180] but not [22:23.180 --> 22:24.420] for everyone [22:24.420 --> 22:25.700] I don't have [22:25.700 --> 22:26.680] access to anyone [22:26.680 --> 22:27.100] so we [22:27.100 --> 22:27.680] per [22:27.680 --> 22:30.440] on a need [22:30.440 --> 22:30.680] to know [22:30.680 --> 22:31.100] basis [22:31.100 --> 22:32.020] in that sense [22:32.020 --> 22:32.560] it gives you [22:32.560 --> 22:33.140] a good idea [22:33.140 --> 22:34.020] of one [22:34.020 --> 22:34.400] aspect [22:34.400 --> 22:34.940] of the [22:34.940 --> 22:35.540] possibilities [22:35.540 --> 22:36.140] within the [22:36.140 --> 22:36.480] system [22:36.480 --> 22:39.540] just to give [22:39.540 --> 22:39.900] you an idea [22:39.900 --> 22:40.200] of the sort [22:40.200 --> 22:40.780] of conversations [22:40.780 --> 22:41.840] we do have [22:41.840 --> 22:42.400] is [22:42.400 --> 22:43.400] something you [22:43.400 --> 22:43.900] may say [22:43.900 --> 22:44.880] have you noticed [22:44.880 --> 22:45.200] there's a [22:45.200 --> 22:45.920] changing mood [22:45.920 --> 22:46.440] of somebody [22:46.440 --> 22:47.080] in class [22:47.080 --> 22:47.700] have you had [22:47.700 --> 22:48.080] issues [22:48.080 --> 22:50.040] with that [22:50.040 --> 22:50.800] have you found [22:50.800 --> 22:51.500] somebody's just [22:51.500 --> 22:52.300] not talking [22:52.300 --> 22:54.520] have you been [22:54.520 --> 22:55.440] able to get [22:55.440 --> 22:56.580] them to talk [22:56.580 --> 22:58.240] is a huge [22:58.240 --> 22:58.580] one [22:58.580 --> 22:59.660] because [22:59.660 --> 23:00.460] I can look [23:00.460 --> 23:00.940] around this [23:00.940 --> 23:01.280] room [23:01.280 --> 23:01.780] and there are [23:01.780 --> 23:02.300] people in this [23:02.300 --> 23:02.900] room who do [23:02.900 --> 23:03.400] find it [23:03.400 --> 23:03.800] difficult [23:03.800 --> 23:04.860] to talk [23:04.860 --> 23:06.140] it's not [23:06.140 --> 23:06.560] it's just [23:06.560 --> 23:06.940] part of [23:06.940 --> 23:07.380] life [23:07.380 --> 23:08.860] believe it [23:08.860 --> 23:09.160] or not [23:09.160 --> 23:12.280] the funny [23:12.280 --> 23:13.380] thing is [23:13.380 --> 23:14.600] if you'd [23:14.600 --> 23:15.280] met me [23:15.280 --> 23:15.800] as a [23:15.800 --> 23:16.240] teenager [23:16.240 --> 23:17.680] I was [23:17.680 --> 23:17.960] surprised [23:17.960 --> 23:18.200] about [23:18.200 --> 23:19.600] I hated [23:19.600 --> 23:20.220] talking to [23:20.220 --> 23:20.580] people [23:20.580 --> 23:21.720] and even [23:21.720 --> 23:22.160] now [23:22.160 --> 23:22.720] if I [23:22.720 --> 23:23.100] knew [23:23.100 --> 23:23.520] I [23:23.520 --> 23:23.680] don't [23:23.680 --> 23:23.820] like [23:23.820 --> 23:24.020] talking [23:24.020 --> 23:24.140] to [23:24.140 --> 23:24.340] them [23:24.340 --> 23:25.640] so I [23:25.640 --> 23:26.020] can walk [23:26.020 --> 23:26.580] into a crowded [23:26.580 --> 23:31.060] room and I'll go to find the darkest corner I can find just about and just hide [23:31.060 --> 24:01.040] because I find it [24:01.040 --> 24:08.520] and sometimes that common ground and sometimes that common ground just doesn't show unless somebody finds it and if we know what that is it helps so much [24:08.520 --> 24:36.020] other things is that we do talk about attendance so because obviously we can look at a student's attendance on a class basis I don't know if we look at it on a per student basis over all their classes but if we notice a student has been absent for three weeks have we contact them [24:36.020 --> 24:50.020] and maybe have something built into the system that allows us to contact the student using both email and also SMS or such so we can say hey is everything alright blah blah blah blah [24:50.020 --> 24:51.600] because at the moment [24:51.600 --> 24:56.980] ask one person to be able to do one thing ask somebody else to do something else for us and it's like [24:56.980 --> 25:04.980] so if we can again it's trying to also make our jobs easier as well as also being able to keep track of everything that's going on [25:04.980 --> 25:13.980] I'm just a bit boring here so these are sort of ideas whether or not these guys or any of the other lecturers sort of come on sort of yes yes yes we don't know [25:13.980 --> 25:28.980] we've tried to we'll get actually once we get a bit more idea and if we hear of anything anybody thinks of we'll just shove it into the general chat so it gives you some more things you can think about at the same time [25:28.980 --> 25:37.980] Would there be any confidentiality requirements around sort of like teach the observation of the student or [25:37.980 --> 25:56.980] yeah anything everything has is going to be confidential the one thing you could look at is you could have if the let if we know what the we know who the student is has as lecturers that would then allow us to say they'd like internal conversations between those people [25:56.980 --> 26:04.980] at that point in time and obviously that will change from semester to semester so it won't be a case of okay that was their conversations [26:04.980 --> 26:20.980] you may have lecturers who are common across both it means they can see the past history and if they believe it's if something could be useful they could then say just a note that this student did have these problems previously [26:20.980 --> 26:32.980] it's an ongoing thing just a note to be aware ready for the other speakers to come through or whatever so there will be confidentiality in that respect [26:32.980 --> 26:34.980] okay [26:35.980 --> 26:46.980] if you also want to make sure you don't make people pre pre judging students so for that reason you don't always want to [26:46.980 --> 26:48.980] put the data through straight away yeah [26:48.980 --> 26:53.980] pre data through because i can just there's one student that always comes up to in my mind [26:53.980 --> 26:59.980] where the person was not even able to enter class due to stress levels [26:59.980 --> 27:01.980] and the person's [27:01.980 --> 27:07.980] got somebody to phone me and we just had a little chat beforehand and the person got into my class [27:07.980 --> 27:09.980] and today [27:09.980 --> 27:12.980] i just feel such a warm and fuzzy [27:12.980 --> 27:15.980] my heart when i see the student around [27:15.980 --> 27:16.980] yep [27:16.980 --> 27:20.980] and it's now at least 18 months later [27:20.980 --> 27:23.980] and the person is just flourishing [27:23.980 --> 27:29.980] so i also don't want the system to ever get to a point where [27:29.980 --> 27:33.980] although we want to have a system to support the person [27:33.980 --> 27:36.980] we don't want the system to harm the person [27:36.980 --> 27:37.980] yep [27:37.980 --> 27:39.980] if that makes sense [27:39.980 --> 27:42.980] there needs to be that beautiful balance [27:45.980 --> 27:51.980] i think a lot of how you would um achieve that is the way that um people will use the software [27:51.980 --> 27:52.980] and that's going to be always the case [27:52.980 --> 27:54.980] it will be a lot of trial and error [27:54.980 --> 27:55.980] yeah [27:55.980 --> 27:59.980] and the way the software is influences how people use it but also [27:59.980 --> 28:03.980] things like external factors like training is important [28:03.980 --> 28:04.980] yep [28:04.980 --> 28:05.980] okay [28:05.980 --> 28:06.980] um [28:06.980 --> 28:09.980] we talked about this in our group but um [28:09.980 --> 28:12.980] do you want us to have an ability to toggle [28:12.980 --> 28:17.980] if the student wants their personal information to be shown to the lecturers [28:17.980 --> 28:23.980] or do you want that to be permanently like on [28:23.980 --> 28:29.980] personal information is for me for my side is student name and student id [28:29.980 --> 28:35.980] if i need to know their names their email addresses anything [28:35.980 --> 28:38.980] okay that might be useful when i want to send an email [28:38.980 --> 28:42.980] but i don't want it really visible or in the front [28:42.980 --> 28:43.980] yeah [28:43.980 --> 28:44.980] there's ways where we find it [28:44.980 --> 28:45.980] yeah [28:45.980 --> 28:46.980] yep [28:46.980 --> 28:47.980] so basically you'd have to go down to another level [28:47.980 --> 28:49.980] we want the student full of details [28:49.980 --> 28:50.980] we can either say [28:50.980 --> 28:54.980] give a straight link into our student management system [28:54.980 --> 28:55.980] which is a secondary system [28:55.980 --> 28:56.980] um [28:56.980 --> 28:57.980] and that we could [28:57.980 --> 28:58.980] if there was a way of doing it [28:58.980 --> 28:59.980] that could give us a link [28:59.980 --> 29:00.980] so bam [29:00.980 --> 29:02.980] that gives you that student's details etc [29:02.980 --> 29:03.980] that would be one way [29:03.980 --> 29:04.980] then we don't have to store [29:04.980 --> 29:07.980] more than just basically say your student number your name [29:07.980 --> 29:08.980] um [29:08.980 --> 29:09.980] because if you've got a student number [29:09.980 --> 29:10.980] we can know your student email address [29:10.980 --> 29:11.980] yeah [29:11.980 --> 29:13.980] so that makes that life really easy [29:13.980 --> 29:14.980] um [29:14.980 --> 29:16.980] worst case scenario [29:16.980 --> 29:17.980] or actually worst case scenario [29:17.980 --> 29:19.980] one possibility would be for a student [29:19.980 --> 29:20.980] if they said yes [29:20.980 --> 29:23.980] would be to have a secondary email address [29:23.980 --> 29:26.980] within the system so we could actually send it to [29:26.980 --> 29:27.980] to both [29:27.980 --> 29:31.980] all official communication goes via your student email address [29:31.980 --> 29:32.980] we don't use it first [29:32.980 --> 29:36.980] because the biggest problem is you go over to client services [29:36.980 --> 29:37.980] and say [29:37.980 --> 29:38.980] hey i've changed address [29:38.980 --> 29:40.980] or i've changed my email account [29:40.980 --> 29:43.980] i do not want this to become a secondary system [29:43.980 --> 29:48.980] and then our emails is not up to date anymore [29:48.980 --> 29:49.980] okay [29:49.980 --> 29:53.980] that is always when you duplicate information in a company [29:53.980 --> 29:55.980] you run risks [29:55.980 --> 29:56.980] all right [29:56.980 --> 29:57.980] that makes sense [29:57.980 --> 29:58.980] all right [29:58.980 --> 29:59.980] that makes sense [29:59.980 --> 30:00.980] data [30:00.980 --> 30:01.980] keep it down to the minimum [30:01.980 --> 30:04.980] i think email the student number and the student name [30:04.980 --> 30:05.980] preferred name as well [30:05.980 --> 30:06.980] yes [30:06.980 --> 30:07.980] so your formal name and preferred name [30:07.980 --> 30:08.980] yes [30:08.980 --> 30:12.980] for my question i think it was mainly targeted towards disabilities [30:12.980 --> 30:15.980] because some students might not want to disclose their disabilities [30:15.980 --> 30:17.980] because of discrimination [30:17.980 --> 30:19.980] we won't be [30:19.980 --> 30:20.980] that's where they [30:20.980 --> 30:22.980] we won't store that information [30:22.980 --> 30:23.980] yeah [30:23.980 --> 30:25.980] so that's that's the stuff that would be contained within [30:25.980 --> 30:27.980] the likes of the lsps [30:27.980 --> 30:28.980] and that's [30:28.980 --> 30:30.980] that is where that should really stay [30:30.980 --> 30:31.980] you know like [30:31.980 --> 30:33.980] we don't want to encroach on what [30:33.980 --> 30:35.980] the learning support team do [30:35.980 --> 30:37.980] but we might need to [30:37.980 --> 30:39.980] we could draw in certain elements [30:39.980 --> 30:44.980] like we're talking about pulling the strategies and things that we might have in that document [30:44.980 --> 30:46.980] but have them something that's integrated here [30:46.980 --> 30:47.980] yeah [30:47.980 --> 30:48.980] needs but not why [30:48.980 --> 30:49.980] yeah [30:49.980 --> 30:50.980] which would help perhaps [30:50.980 --> 30:54.980] and i i get what you mean about being able to show or not [30:54.980 --> 30:57.980] but i think if we don't have that it's easier [30:57.980 --> 31:00.980] we don't necessarily need to know that per se [31:00.980 --> 31:03.980] unless they want to share that information [31:03.980 --> 31:08.980] but the idea i think for this is to be sharing that information in the first place [31:08.980 --> 31:11.980] so i think if it's easier to think about it like that [31:11.980 --> 31:16.980] that there's the kind of point is that we are aware and able to track and manage and [31:16.980 --> 31:18.980] and you know have those things [31:18.980 --> 31:21.980] yeah i believe strongly it is more [31:21.980 --> 31:24.980] okay one of the things i did not say that i'm coming up now [31:24.980 --> 31:25.980] coming up now [31:25.980 --> 31:30.980] a field that i personally would love is to know the person's learning support worker [31:30.980 --> 31:31.980] that is [31:31.980 --> 31:32.980] yeah [31:32.980 --> 31:35.980] because sometimes i just want to know [31:35.980 --> 31:37.980] so if we know [31:37.980 --> 31:41.980] because i'm working with multiple people and one of them are sean [31:41.980 --> 31:48.980] and if i knew okay john is under sean's care or sean is working with him from a lsp point of view [31:48.980 --> 31:51.980] i don't need to go through all my emails to find out [31:51.980 --> 31:57.980] does this person have a support worker that has put up his lsp together has [31:57.980 --> 32:02.980] i just know okay i can ask sean hey does this business still have a learning support plan [32:02.980 --> 32:08.980] how is he tracking do you have any concerns or can you please just have a catch up with him [32:08.980 --> 32:09.980] i'm worried about him [32:09.980 --> 32:10.980] yeah [32:10.980 --> 32:14.980] and i can just send out that email and i know who i'm talking to [32:14.980 --> 32:21.980] and but this system is very generic to say this person i can think of another student [32:21.980 --> 32:27.980] who when i had him sorry to say him [32:27.980 --> 32:30.980] when i had the person [32:30.980 --> 32:33.980] they would always sit in the corner [32:33.980 --> 32:35.980] when they get frustrated they will swear [32:35.980 --> 32:37.980] and throw almost a tantrum [32:37.980 --> 32:39.980] and i could never handle it as a lecturer [32:39.980 --> 32:41.980] and i just always walked away [32:41.980 --> 32:42.980] and i [32:42.980 --> 32:44.980] a year late [32:44.980 --> 32:45.980] six months later [32:45.980 --> 32:47.980] the person was in somebody else's class [32:47.980 --> 32:48.980] and i walked in [32:48.980 --> 32:49.980] and the person [32:49.980 --> 32:50.980] the lecturer said to him [32:50.980 --> 32:53.980] do you really need to talk like that [32:53.980 --> 32:54.980] and he said [32:54.980 --> 32:55.980] and he said [32:55.980 --> 32:56.980] and he's shocked [32:56.980 --> 32:57.980] and he said oh sorry [32:57.980 --> 32:58.980] and he calmed down [32:58.980 --> 33:00.980] and if i just knew [33:00.980 --> 33:03.980] that one sentence [33:03.980 --> 33:05.980] just ask the person [33:05.980 --> 33:08.980] do you need to talk like that [33:08.980 --> 33:09.980] and the whole [33:09.980 --> 33:12.980] and the person then realizes what's going on [33:12.980 --> 33:13.980] control himself [33:13.980 --> 33:14.980] and [33:14.980 --> 33:16.980] class was perfect [33:16.980 --> 33:19.980] it would have made my classes so much better [33:19.980 --> 33:20.980] so it's not [33:20.980 --> 33:21.980] it's not about [33:21.980 --> 33:24.980] it's not about [33:24.980 --> 33:25.980] it's not about the disability [33:25.980 --> 33:26.980] us [33:26.980 --> 33:28.980] having the disability or anything else [33:28.980 --> 33:29.980] stored on our system [33:29.980 --> 33:30.980] it's more about [33:30.980 --> 33:31.980] how [33:31.980 --> 33:32.980] we can support the student [33:32.980 --> 33:34.980] that's more important to us [33:34.980 --> 33:35.980] so [33:35.980 --> 33:36.980] and the rest in the class [33:36.980 --> 33:37.980] in the class environment [33:37.980 --> 33:39.980] it says there are systems [33:39.980 --> 33:40.980] already in place [33:40.980 --> 33:41.980] that do the other bits [33:41.980 --> 33:42.980] yeah [33:42.980 --> 33:44.980] and it's just somebody had [33:44.980 --> 33:45.980] in [33:45.980 --> 33:46.980] very good [33:46.980 --> 33:47.980] way [33:47.980 --> 33:48.980] how to handle that person [33:48.980 --> 33:49.980] i never had it [33:49.980 --> 33:50.980] it just upset [33:50.980 --> 33:51.980] it to me [33:51.980 --> 33:52.980] when the business spoke like that [33:52.980 --> 33:53.980] in the corner [33:53.980 --> 33:54.980] and i just stood [33:54.980 --> 33:55.980] and said okay [33:55.980 --> 33:56.980] i'm not dealing with this [33:56.980 --> 33:58.980] which was most likely [33:58.980 --> 33:59.980] not the best way [33:59.980 --> 34:00.980] but [34:00.980 --> 34:01.980] that was my coping [34:01.980 --> 34:02.980] magnet business [34:02.980 --> 34:03.980] in that way [34:03.980 --> 34:04.980] okay [34:04.980 --> 34:05.980] so it sounds like [34:05.980 --> 34:07.980] for privacy and other reasons [34:07.980 --> 34:08.980] the data that would actually be on the site [34:08.980 --> 34:09.980] it's pretty small [34:09.980 --> 34:10.980] because [34:10.980 --> 34:12.980] you already have other services [34:12.980 --> 34:14.980] and there shouldn't be a lot of [34:14.980 --> 34:15.980] integration [34:15.980 --> 34:16.980] you certainly don't want [34:16.980 --> 34:18.980] very very protected information [34:18.980 --> 34:19.980] um [34:19.980 --> 34:20.980] going over [34:20.980 --> 34:21.980] so [34:21.980 --> 34:22.980] so far i've got [34:22.980 --> 34:23.980] so like [34:23.980 --> 34:24.980] they have an LSP worker [34:24.980 --> 34:25.980] um [34:25.980 --> 34:26.980] their contact details [34:26.980 --> 34:27.980] name [34:27.980 --> 34:28.980] id [34:28.980 --> 34:29.980] preferred name [34:29.980 --> 34:30.980] and then [34:30.980 --> 34:31.980] the main feature [34:31.980 --> 34:32.980] is [34:32.980 --> 34:33.980] the notes [34:33.980 --> 34:34.980] so [34:34.980 --> 34:35.980] say like [34:35.980 --> 34:36.980] this is [34:36.980 --> 34:37.980] um [34:37.980 --> 34:38.980] like the story you gave [34:38.980 --> 34:39.980] like this is what worked for me [34:39.980 --> 34:40.980] um [34:40.980 --> 34:41.980] you might want to try this [34:41.980 --> 34:42.980] or [34:42.980 --> 34:44.980] the lessons going through a hard time [34:44.980 --> 34:46.980] you might want to follow up with this [34:46.980 --> 34:47.980] does that sound [34:47.980 --> 34:48.980] about [34:48.980 --> 34:49.980] that's a good start [34:49.980 --> 34:50.980] that's a very good start [34:50.980 --> 34:51.980] yeah because i think that's important [34:51.980 --> 34:53.980] that it doesn't necessarily have to be related to [34:53.980 --> 34:54.980] some sort of [34:54.980 --> 34:55.980] you know [34:55.980 --> 34:56.980] um [34:56.980 --> 34:57.980] learning support issue or something [34:57.980 --> 34:58.980] either like [34:58.980 --> 34:59.980] i was saying this morning [34:59.980 --> 35:00.980] that [35:00.980 --> 35:02.980] it could just be that someone's fallen asleep in my class [35:02.980 --> 35:03.980] right [35:03.980 --> 35:04.980] has a regularly fallen asleep in my class [35:04.980 --> 35:05.980] and i'm like [35:05.980 --> 35:06.980] well [35:06.980 --> 35:07.980] like there's obviously a concern there [35:07.980 --> 35:08.980] right [35:08.980 --> 35:09.980] like are they working at night [35:09.980 --> 35:11.980] is there something there that perhaps [35:11.980 --> 35:13.980] it could be something more important [35:13.980 --> 35:14.980] you know [35:14.980 --> 35:15.980] um [35:15.980 --> 35:16.980] and so [35:16.980 --> 35:17.980] being able to just note that down [35:17.980 --> 35:18.980] to say hey [35:18.980 --> 35:19.980] you know [35:19.980 --> 35:20.980] like [35:20.980 --> 35:21.980] perhaps keep an eye [35:21.980 --> 35:22.980] or is this happening in other people's classes [35:22.980 --> 35:23.980] you know [35:23.980 --> 35:24.980] like things like that work [35:24.980 --> 35:26.980] and help improve that communication [35:26.980 --> 35:27.980] um [35:27.980 --> 35:28.980] but yeah [35:28.980 --> 35:29.980] could be [35:29.980 --> 35:30.980] a [35:30.980 --> 35:32.980] sort of indicator of something more important [35:32.980 --> 35:33.980] or something more [35:33.980 --> 35:35.980] and this is a trigger for me [35:35.980 --> 35:37.980] if you think of a hot level [35:37.980 --> 35:38.980] a trigger for me [35:38.980 --> 35:39.980] to say [35:39.980 --> 35:40.980] you need to check in [35:40.980 --> 35:41.980] that [35:41.980 --> 35:42.980] get an email [35:42.980 --> 35:44.980] or a date [35:44.980 --> 35:45.980] there's some sort of a system [35:45.980 --> 35:46.980] that can trigger for me [35:46.980 --> 35:48.980] even if i just go in and say [35:48.980 --> 35:49.980] put in there [35:49.980 --> 35:50.980] i need to follow up [35:50.980 --> 35:51.980] end of term [35:51.980 --> 35:52.980] with this person [35:52.980 --> 35:53.980] or in four weeks time [35:53.980 --> 35:54.980] with this person [35:54.980 --> 35:56.980] just that i get a [35:56.980 --> 35:57.980] to do [35:57.980 --> 35:58.980] yeah [35:58.980 --> 35:59.980] okay [35:59.980 --> 36:00.980] so yeah [36:00.980 --> 36:02.980] i've added the um [36:02.980 --> 36:03.980] reminders for like [36:03.980 --> 36:05.980] follow ups and meetings [36:05.980 --> 36:07.980] all right [36:07.980 --> 36:08.980] um [36:08.980 --> 36:09.980] you're probably gonna find [36:09.980 --> 36:10.980] you'll [36:10.980 --> 36:11.980] you'll listen back [36:11.980 --> 36:12.980] or you'll go back over the transcript [36:12.980 --> 36:13.980] and you'll [36:13.980 --> 36:14.980] pick up other things as well [36:14.980 --> 36:15.980] and it [36:15.980 --> 36:16.980] what i would suggest [36:16.980 --> 36:17.980] is that when you do [36:17.980 --> 36:19.980] make it a very broad list [36:19.980 --> 36:21.980] so you identifying [36:21.980 --> 36:22.980] sort of [36:22.980 --> 36:23.980] things you believe [36:23.980 --> 36:24.980] should be there [36:24.980 --> 36:25.980] come back with further [36:25.980 --> 36:26.980] further questions [36:26.980 --> 36:27.980] and we can even ask [36:27.980 --> 36:28.980] other lecturers [36:28.980 --> 36:29.980] other hops etc [36:29.980 --> 36:30.980] what they think should be [36:30.980 --> 36:31.980] in the [36:31.980 --> 36:32.980] in the system [36:32.980 --> 36:33.980] um [36:33.980 --> 36:35.980] that that gives you [36:35.980 --> 36:37.980] more scope to work with [36:37.980 --> 36:38.980] and it also means [36:38.980 --> 36:39.980] the two teams [36:39.980 --> 36:40.980] can perhaps attack [36:40.980 --> 36:41.980] different aspects [36:41.980 --> 36:42.980] of the same problem [36:42.980 --> 36:43.980] if they wish to [36:43.980 --> 36:44.980] okay [36:44.980 --> 36:45.980] because that's the biggest [36:45.980 --> 36:46.980] thing about it [36:46.980 --> 36:47.980] you've got two teams [36:47.980 --> 36:48.980] you're going against each other [36:48.980 --> 36:49.980] but you're also [36:49.980 --> 36:50.980] sort of collaborating [36:50.980 --> 36:51.980] at the same time [36:51.980 --> 36:52.980] so it's an interesting [36:52.980 --> 36:53.980] situation to be in [36:53.980 --> 36:56.980] yes [36:56.980 --> 36:58.980] so will they um [36:58.980 --> 36:59.980] will they need a [36:59.980 --> 37:00.980] feature like [37:00.980 --> 37:01.980] automatic flagging [37:01.980 --> 37:02.980] so say [37:02.980 --> 37:03.980] a student consistently [37:03.980 --> 37:05.980] is having a low grade [37:05.980 --> 37:06.980] or [37:06.980 --> 37:07.980] has a [37:07.980 --> 37:08.980] terrible well-being [37:08.980 --> 37:09.980] so like it provides [37:09.980 --> 37:10.980] kind of like [37:10.980 --> 37:12.980] it flags that [37:12.980 --> 37:13.980] and after a certain amount [37:13.980 --> 37:15.980] it reminds the lecturers [37:15.980 --> 37:16.980] and they can [37:16.980 --> 37:18.980] kind of use that information [37:18.980 --> 37:19.980] to [37:19.980 --> 37:20.980] yeah [37:20.980 --> 37:21.980] follow a certain approach [37:21.980 --> 37:22.980] maybe [37:22.980 --> 37:23.980] contact their [37:23.980 --> 37:24.980] language support person [37:24.980 --> 37:25.980] or [37:25.980 --> 37:26.980] like [37:26.980 --> 37:27.980] you know [37:27.980 --> 37:28.980] contact a manager [37:28.980 --> 37:29.980] and then [37:29.980 --> 37:30.980] they can [37:30.980 --> 37:31.980] proceed to like [37:31.980 --> 37:32.980] get counselling for the student [37:32.980 --> 37:33.980] yeah [37:33.980 --> 37:34.980] I like that idea [37:34.980 --> 37:35.980] and I like that [37:35.980 --> 37:36.980] could be very useful [37:36.980 --> 37:37.980] to have some sort of way [37:37.980 --> 37:38.980] within this [37:38.980 --> 37:40.980] to be able to monitor [37:40.980 --> 37:41.980] or see [37:41.980 --> 37:42.980] you know [37:42.980 --> 37:43.980] does one particular student [37:43.980 --> 37:44.980] have a lot of lecturers [37:44.980 --> 37:45.980] commenting on this too [37:45.980 --> 37:47.980] which could put them [37:47.980 --> 37:48.980] you know [37:48.980 --> 37:49.980] because at the end of the day [37:49.980 --> 37:50.980] we're talking about [37:50.980 --> 37:51.980] the risk factor [37:51.980 --> 37:53.980] and so that could be a scale [37:53.980 --> 37:54.980] or a metric [37:54.980 --> 37:55.980] or something that you're actually [37:55.980 --> 37:56.980] keeping track of [37:56.980 --> 37:57.980] you know [37:57.980 --> 37:58.980] are there problems [37:58.980 --> 37:59.980] or is there some way that [37:59.980 --> 38:00.980] when I leave a note [38:00.980 --> 38:01.980] is there a way that I could say [38:01.980 --> 38:02.980] okay [38:02.980 --> 38:03.980] I fell asleep in my class [38:03.980 --> 38:04.980] alright [38:04.980 --> 38:05.980] maybe something's wrong [38:05.980 --> 38:06.980] maybe they're just tired [38:06.980 --> 38:07.980] it's not that big a deal [38:07.980 --> 38:08.980] right [38:08.980 --> 38:09.980] but maybe if [38:09.980 --> 38:10.980] you know [38:10.980 --> 38:11.980] Jimmy's throwing a computer [38:11.980 --> 38:12.980] at the window or something [38:12.980 --> 38:13.980] right [38:13.980 --> 38:14.980] like a lack of urgency [38:14.980 --> 38:15.980] yeah [38:15.980 --> 38:16.980] is there a metric [38:16.980 --> 38:17.980] to say [38:17.980 --> 38:18.980] what is the risk factor here [38:18.980 --> 38:19.980] or what is that [38:19.980 --> 38:20.980] what do we really [38:20.980 --> 38:21.980] kind of talk [38:21.980 --> 38:22.980] because that might help you [38:22.980 --> 38:23.980] then gauge [38:23.980 --> 38:24.980] and we could see [38:24.980 --> 38:25.980] from a hop [38:25.980 --> 38:26.980] I'm sure maybe it would be nice [38:26.980 --> 38:27.980] to be able to see [38:27.980 --> 38:28.980] is there [38:28.980 --> 38:29.980] more of an impact [38:29.980 --> 38:30.980] or more of an issue [38:30.980 --> 38:31.980] that you might need to be [38:31.980 --> 38:32.980] you know what I mean [38:32.980 --> 38:33.980] like [38:33.980 --> 38:34.980] because that's where we're [38:34.980 --> 38:35.980] putting that information in [38:35.980 --> 38:36.980] at the same time [38:36.980 --> 38:37.980] we don't want to reduce [38:37.980 --> 38:38.980] people down to data [38:38.980 --> 38:39.980] yeah [38:39.980 --> 38:40.980] that's the biggest thing [38:40.980 --> 38:41.980] that this happens [38:41.980 --> 38:42.980] too much nowadays [38:42.980 --> 38:43.980] is just becoming a number [38:43.980 --> 38:44.980] yeah [38:44.980 --> 38:45.980] and a scale etc [38:45.980 --> 38:46.980] and unfortunately [38:46.980 --> 38:49.980] there's more to life [38:49.980 --> 38:50.980] to people [38:50.980 --> 38:52.980] and their situations [38:52.980 --> 38:53.980] and how they're acting [38:53.980 --> 38:54.980] in the class [38:54.980 --> 38:55.980] than just a number [38:55.980 --> 38:56.980] yeah [38:56.980 --> 38:57.980] so yeah [38:57.980 --> 38:58.980] it's nice [38:58.980 --> 38:59.980] it's nice to have some [38:59.980 --> 39:00.980] formal way of indicating [39:00.980 --> 39:02.980] but treat it very carefully [39:02.980 --> 39:03.980] because it can be used [39:03.980 --> 39:05.980] in a very negative way as well [39:05.980 --> 39:06.980] yeah [39:06.980 --> 39:07.980] like I think I would avoid [39:07.980 --> 39:08.980] having like [39:08.980 --> 39:09.980] just like a flag [39:09.980 --> 39:10.980] of like essentially [39:10.980 --> 39:11.980] they're a problem [39:11.980 --> 39:12.980] or they're not [39:12.980 --> 39:13.980] I've seen that before [39:13.980 --> 39:15.980] and that went really badly [39:15.980 --> 39:16.980] for me [39:16.980 --> 39:18.980] but having [39:18.980 --> 39:20.980] like you could have notes [39:20.980 --> 39:21.980] that are ordered [39:21.980 --> 39:22.980] chronologically [39:22.980 --> 39:24.980] and then by like say urgency [39:24.980 --> 39:25.980] so [39:25.980 --> 39:26.980] I don't know [39:26.980 --> 39:27.980] you could mess with the colours [39:27.980 --> 39:28.980] so [39:28.980 --> 39:29.980] but I wouldn't have [39:29.980 --> 39:30.980] I would have like [39:30.980 --> 39:31.980] freeform notes [39:31.980 --> 39:32.980] as just an idea [39:32.980 --> 39:34.980] as like the main feature [39:34.980 --> 39:36.980] but then the categorisation [39:36.980 --> 39:37.980] of data is secondary [39:37.980 --> 39:38.980] because we don't want people [39:38.980 --> 39:39.980] to just be data [39:39.980 --> 39:40.980] and even just [39:40.980 --> 39:41.980] a way of saying [39:41.980 --> 39:42.980] oh this note's about [39:42.980 --> 39:44.980] in class behaviour [39:44.980 --> 39:45.980] it's about [39:45.980 --> 39:46.980] their assessments [39:46.980 --> 39:47.980] it's about [39:47.980 --> 39:49.980] something like that [39:49.980 --> 39:50.980] just something to give [39:50.980 --> 39:51.980] a category to the [39:51.980 --> 39:52.980] in class or out of class [39:52.980 --> 39:53.980] yeah yeah [39:53.980 --> 39:54.980] if it's an internal [39:54.980 --> 39:55.980] or external influence [39:55.980 --> 39:56.980] yeah [39:56.980 --> 39:57.980] so things like that [39:57.980 --> 39:58.980] would make it easier [39:58.980 --> 39:59.980] because then [39:59.980 --> 40:00.980] we can still say [40:00.980 --> 40:01.980] okay they've got [40:01.980 --> 40:04.980] 10 out of 20 classes [40:04.980 --> 40:06.980] where somebody's indicated [40:06.980 --> 40:07.980] this is a [40:07.980 --> 40:08.980] there's a general [40:08.980 --> 40:09.980] such and such an issue [40:09.980 --> 40:10.980] which means [40:10.980 --> 40:11.980] it gives us an idea [40:11.980 --> 40:12.980] that perhaps [40:12.980 --> 40:13.980] okay how can we support [40:13.980 --> 40:14.980] that student [40:14.980 --> 40:15.980] in a more positive way [40:15.980 --> 40:16.980] to actually get them [40:16.980 --> 40:17.980] through that problem [40:17.980 --> 40:19.980] as it is at that moment [40:19.980 --> 40:20.980] in time [40:20.980 --> 40:21.980] rather than being [40:21.980 --> 40:22.980] in case oh this student's [40:22.980 --> 40:23.980] got a problem [40:23.980 --> 40:25.980] let's not deal with it [40:25.980 --> 40:26.980] yeah [40:26.980 --> 40:27.980] let's deal with it [40:27.980 --> 40:28.980] make it a positive influence [40:28.980 --> 40:30.980] and maybe the system is [40:30.980 --> 40:31.980] is actually [40:31.980 --> 40:32.980] created in such a way [40:32.980 --> 40:33.980] as it [40:33.980 --> 40:34.980] rather than saying [40:34.980 --> 40:35.980] it's just [40:35.980 --> 40:36.980] it's a problem [40:36.980 --> 40:38.980] it's a way of [40:38.980 --> 40:41.980] enabling the student [40:41.980 --> 40:42.980] to progress [40:42.980 --> 40:43.980] through [40:43.980 --> 40:44.980] their classes [40:44.980 --> 40:45.980] in a much more [40:45.980 --> 40:46.980] um [40:46.980 --> 40:48.980] fluent manner [40:48.980 --> 40:49.980] rather than coming across [40:49.980 --> 40:50.980] these boulders [40:50.980 --> 40:51.980] that just can knock them down [40:51.980 --> 40:52.980] every five seconds [40:52.980 --> 40:53.980] because I know [40:53.980 --> 40:54.980] that's [40:54.980 --> 40:55.980] lecturers [40:55.980 --> 40:56.980] in some cases [40:56.980 --> 40:57.980] can be very negative [40:57.980 --> 40:58.980] and that's again [40:58.980 --> 40:59.980] because of the influence [40:59.980 --> 41:00.980] of other lecturers [41:00.980 --> 41:01.980] around them [41:01.980 --> 41:02.980] saying oh that's so [41:02.980 --> 41:03.980] and such [41:03.980 --> 41:04.980] and such [41:04.980 --> 41:06.980] and yeah we do that [41:06.980 --> 41:07.980] we can't help it [41:07.980 --> 41:08.980] but let's try and make it [41:08.980 --> 41:09.980] a more positive [41:09.980 --> 41:10.980] sort of system [41:10.980 --> 41:11.980] rather than being [41:11.980 --> 41:12.980] a negative system [41:12.980 --> 41:13.980] so the negatives [41:13.980 --> 41:14.980] such as [41:14.980 --> 41:15.980] our poor attendance [41:15.980 --> 41:16.980] that have helped [41:16.980 --> 41:17.980] we make that into a positive [41:17.980 --> 41:19.980] and then perhaps [41:19.980 --> 41:20.980] put the system [41:20.980 --> 41:21.980] being a more positive [41:21.980 --> 41:22.980] way of helping [41:22.980 --> 41:23.980] rather than being [41:23.980 --> 41:24.980] just a way of [41:24.980 --> 41:25.980] just making notes [41:25.980 --> 41:26.980] and making notes [41:26.980 --> 41:27.980] of what's going on [41:27.980 --> 41:28.980] let's throw [41:28.980 --> 41:30.980] let's basically throw [41:30.980 --> 41:31.980] the opposite way around [41:31.980 --> 41:32.980] let's see if we can [41:32.980 --> 41:33.980] actually bring a system [41:33.980 --> 41:34.980] together that helps [41:34.980 --> 41:35.980] students and staff [41:35.980 --> 41:36.980] in a much more [41:36.980 --> 41:37.980] beneficial manner [41:37.980 --> 41:38.980] yeah [41:38.980 --> 41:39.980] I think it was good [41:39.980 --> 41:40.980] when we mentioned [41:40.980 --> 41:41.980] like strategies [41:41.980 --> 41:42.980] for like [41:42.980 --> 41:43.980] this is what worked [41:43.980 --> 41:44.980] for this student [41:44.980 --> 41:45.980] and also [41:45.980 --> 41:46.980] part of this is [41:46.980 --> 41:47.980] kind of just [41:47.980 --> 41:48.980] reasonable adjustments [41:48.980 --> 41:49.980] it's like what [41:49.980 --> 41:51.980] like more specific notes [41:51.980 --> 41:52.980] on like [41:52.980 --> 41:53.980] this worked [41:53.980 --> 41:54.980] and then this didn't [41:54.980 --> 41:55.980] or we tried this [41:55.980 --> 41:56.980] I'll give you a good [41:56.980 --> 41:57.980] example from [41:57.980 --> 41:58.980] just a general class [41:58.980 --> 41:59.980] point of view [41:59.980 --> 42:00.980] was last week [42:00.980 --> 42:01.980] I started off class [42:01.980 --> 42:02.980] with a debate [42:02.980 --> 42:03.980] in an IT class [42:03.980 --> 42:04.980] yeah [42:04.980 --> 42:05.980] but we [42:05.980 --> 42:06.980] I had [42:06.980 --> 42:07.980] I had the for [42:07.980 --> 42:08.980] and against teams [42:08.980 --> 42:09.980] um [42:09.980 --> 42:10.980] they had three speakers [42:10.980 --> 42:11.980] each [42:11.980 --> 42:12.980] they had three minutes [42:12.980 --> 42:13.980] and then one minute summary [42:13.980 --> 42:14.980] and [42:14.980 --> 42:15.980] it worked really well [42:15.980 --> 42:16.980] because by the time [42:16.980 --> 42:17.980] they finished that [42:17.980 --> 42:18.980] they were all firing [42:18.980 --> 42:19.980] every single student [42:19.980 --> 42:20.980] in that room [42:20.980 --> 42:21.980] was firing [42:21.980 --> 42:22.980] and I know that [42:22.980 --> 42:23.980] that class [42:23.980 --> 42:24.980] is the stage twos [42:24.980 --> 42:26.980] and they can go into class [42:26.980 --> 42:27.980] and they go [42:27.980 --> 42:29.980] really can be [42:29.980 --> 42:30.980] that [42:30.980 --> 42:31.980] last week [42:31.980 --> 42:32.980] totally different room [42:32.980 --> 42:33.980] totally different room [42:33.980 --> 42:34.980] so even that sort of [42:34.980 --> 42:35.980] strategy [42:35.980 --> 42:36.980] can be brought in [42:36.980 --> 42:37.980] and say hey [42:37.980 --> 42:38.980] I did an ice break [42:38.980 --> 42:39.980] it was a totally different day [42:39.980 --> 42:40.980] and that may [42:40.980 --> 42:41.980] go out to [42:41.980 --> 42:42.980] that could be something [42:42.980 --> 42:43.980] we could say [42:43.980 --> 42:44.980] and share with all the actors [42:44.980 --> 42:45.980] we do it on conversations [42:45.980 --> 42:46.980] and chat [42:46.980 --> 42:47.980] but maybe there's a [42:47.980 --> 42:48.980] way to say hey [42:48.980 --> 42:49.980] there's a formal record [42:49.980 --> 42:51.980] that could also help us [42:51.980 --> 42:52.980] as well [42:52.980 --> 42:53.980] I know it says students [42:53.980 --> 42:54.980] are at risk [42:54.980 --> 42:55.980] but it's also trying to make [42:55.980 --> 42:56.980] you guys [42:56.980 --> 42:58.980] in the stars [42:58.980 --> 42:59.980] and there's a purpose [42:59.980 --> 43:00.980] where I read [43:00.980 --> 43:02.980] it was an inadvertent purpose [43:02.980 --> 43:03.980] behind coming up [43:03.980 --> 43:04.980] the stars [43:04.980 --> 43:05.980] okay [43:05.980 --> 43:06.980] that makes sense [43:06.980 --> 43:07.980] you could have like [43:07.980 --> 43:08.980] challenge and then strategy [43:08.980 --> 43:09.980] so [43:09.980 --> 43:10.980] yeah [43:10.980 --> 43:11.980] even like the way [43:11.980 --> 43:12.980] instead of just freeform notes [43:12.980 --> 43:13.980] like the way that it's structured [43:13.980 --> 43:15.980] is like incentivizing people [43:15.980 --> 43:16.980] to be less negative [43:16.980 --> 43:17.980] and actually come up with [43:17.980 --> 43:19.980] or even write down solutions [43:19.980 --> 43:20.980] yeah [43:20.980 --> 43:21.980] yeah [43:21.980 --> 43:22.980] okay [43:22.980 --> 43:25.980] and it's like software [43:25.980 --> 43:26.980] influencing behavior [43:26.980 --> 43:27.980] challenges [43:27.980 --> 43:28.980] strategies [43:28.980 --> 43:29.980] but also [43:29.980 --> 43:31.980] almost like you've said [43:31.980 --> 43:32.980] you want to almost [43:32.980 --> 43:33.980] to put in [43:33.980 --> 43:35.980] successes [43:35.980 --> 43:36.980] yeah [43:36.980 --> 43:37.980] or success stories [43:37.980 --> 43:38.980] or [43:38.980 --> 43:39.980] things like [43:39.980 --> 43:40.980] things like [43:40.980 --> 43:42.980] that is not really individual [43:42.980 --> 43:43.980] to a student [43:43.980 --> 43:44.980] but [43:44.980 --> 43:45.980] that of [43:45.980 --> 43:46.980] that you said [43:46.980 --> 43:47.980] is just [43:47.980 --> 43:48.980] for this group [43:48.980 --> 43:50.980] stage 2 programmers [43:50.980 --> 43:52.980] this is always [43:52.980 --> 43:53.980] great success [43:53.980 --> 43:54.980] to get them going [43:54.980 --> 43:55.980] so [43:55.980 --> 43:56.980] this is something that happened [43:56.980 --> 43:57.980] at work in that situation [43:57.980 --> 43:58.980] and it's [43:58.980 --> 43:59.980] it's [43:59.980 --> 44:00.980] the success stories [44:00.980 --> 44:03.980] also help other lecturers [44:03.980 --> 44:04.980] yeah [44:04.980 --> 44:05.980] because if we [44:05.980 --> 44:06.980] the success is [44:06.980 --> 44:07.980] even getting [44:07.980 --> 44:08.980] I'm going to say [44:08.980 --> 44:09.980] getting through [44:09.980 --> 44:10.980] to a student [44:10.980 --> 44:11.980] a little student [44:11.980 --> 44:12.980] is a success [44:12.980 --> 44:14.980] and it allows us then [44:14.980 --> 44:15.980] to bring foot [44:15.980 --> 44:16.980] bring more [44:16.980 --> 44:17.980] of that success [44:17.980 --> 44:18.980] one to the lecturers [44:18.980 --> 44:19.980] to be able to [44:19.980 --> 44:20.980] communicate [44:20.980 --> 44:21.980] to be able to understand [44:21.980 --> 44:22.980] what's going on [44:22.980 --> 44:23.980] to bring out [44:23.980 --> 44:25.980] a student from their shell [44:25.980 --> 44:27.980] and I've seen students go [44:27.980 --> 44:28.980] from totally non-communicative [44:28.980 --> 44:29.980] to being [44:29.980 --> 44:30.980] leaders in classes [44:30.980 --> 44:31.980] because of the fact [44:31.980 --> 44:32.980] they've been [44:32.980 --> 44:33.980] treated in the way [44:33.980 --> 44:34.980] that's made them feel [44:34.980 --> 44:35.980] like they can't [44:35.980 --> 44:36.980] or [44:36.980 --> 44:37.980] they can lead [44:40.980 --> 44:41.980] technically wise [44:42.980 --> 44:43.980] yes [44:43.980 --> 44:44.980] very quickly [44:44.980 --> 44:45.980] um [44:46.980 --> 44:47.980] god [44:47.980 --> 44:48.980] I did have technical questions [44:48.980 --> 44:49.980] where are they? [44:49.980 --> 44:52.980] we have something similar to what you talked about [44:52.980 --> 44:53.980] about the [44:53.980 --> 44:54.980] public solutions and problems [44:54.980 --> 44:55.980] except for [44:55.980 --> 44:57.980] we've characterized them by icons [44:57.980 --> 44:58.980] and [44:58.980 --> 44:59.980] we have little icons [44:59.980 --> 45:00.980] next to our students' names [45:00.980 --> 45:01.980] yeah [45:01.980 --> 45:02.980] okay [45:02.980 --> 45:03.980] no I hadn't thought on like [45:03.980 --> 45:04.980] specific like [45:04.980 --> 45:06.980] how it would look [45:06.980 --> 45:07.980] um [45:07.980 --> 45:08.980] that's cool though [45:08.980 --> 45:09.980] okay [45:09.980 --> 45:11.980] I suppose a good starting point is [45:11.980 --> 45:14.980] were we expecting a website [45:14.980 --> 45:15.980] or an app [45:15.980 --> 45:16.980] or both? [45:16.980 --> 45:17.980] both [45:17.980 --> 45:18.980] you will develop an app [45:18.980 --> 45:20.980] in the second semester [45:20.980 --> 45:22.980] the first semester is about [45:22.980 --> 45:23.980] the [45:23.980 --> 45:24.980] front end [45:24.980 --> 45:25.980] from a web point of view [45:25.980 --> 45:26.980] mm-hmm [45:26.980 --> 45:27.980] so [45:27.980 --> 45:29.980] just as a broad [45:29.980 --> 45:30.980] just a broad technical point of view [45:30.980 --> 45:31.980] your [45:31.980 --> 45:32.980] your [45:32.980 --> 45:33.980] sas clusters are built [45:33.980 --> 45:34.980] um [45:34.980 --> 45:35.980] a [45:35.980 --> 45:36.980] web front end [45:36.980 --> 45:37.980] and management system [45:37.980 --> 45:38.980] the [45:38.980 --> 45:39.980] second cluster is on [45:39.980 --> 45:40.980] apis [45:40.980 --> 45:41.980] and [45:41.980 --> 45:42.980] no sql [45:42.980 --> 45:43.980] uh [45:43.980 --> 45:44.980] the api stuff especially [45:44.980 --> 45:45.980] is linked directly to [45:45.980 --> 45:47.980] the mobile application development [45:47.980 --> 45:48.980] which is also [45:48.980 --> 45:49.980] second semester [45:49.980 --> 45:50.980] that's cool [45:50.980 --> 45:51.980] mm-hmm [45:51.980 --> 45:52.980] that's cool [45:52.980 --> 45:53.980] uh [45:53.980 --> 45:54.980] how is [45:54.980 --> 45:57.980] NMT going to maintain this project in the future [45:57.980 --> 46:00.980] so like in terms of like funding to keep it alive [46:00.980 --> 46:06.980] I think we've already kind of answered that in that it's going to be through this so it might be maintained by the students again after [46:06.980 --> 46:07.980] okay [46:07.980 --> 46:08.980] yeah [46:08.980 --> 46:09.980] so there is [46:09.980 --> 46:10.980] documentation becomes important [46:10.980 --> 46:11.980] yes [46:11.980 --> 46:12.980] please [46:12.980 --> 46:13.980] yep [46:13.980 --> 46:17.980] so that is always when a project comes over the next group [46:17.980 --> 46:18.980] I have no idea what [46:18.980 --> 46:20.980] the other guys have not documented [46:20.980 --> 46:21.980] you just hear that [46:21.980 --> 46:23.980] rather do less [46:23.980 --> 46:26.980] and make it a nice package [46:26.980 --> 46:28.980] that is really [46:28.980 --> 46:29.980] yep [46:29.980 --> 46:30.980] okay [46:30.980 --> 46:33.980] so make it easy for the next group to follow on from where we finish [46:33.980 --> 46:34.980] yeah [46:34.980 --> 46:35.980] yep [46:35.980 --> 46:37.980] and if you look at it from the point of view of somebody who's perhaps doing it [46:37.980 --> 46:40.980] who wants to do a secondary qualification afterwards [46:40.980 --> 46:43.980] it allows them also [46:43.980 --> 46:45.980] to pick up [46:45.980 --> 46:46.980] on the project [46:46.980 --> 46:48.980] if they haven't been involved in it before [46:48.980 --> 46:50.980] to continue on some aspect to it [46:50.980 --> 46:51.980] okay [46:51.980 --> 46:52.980] um [46:52.980 --> 46:55.980] in terms of technical I'm presuming that we'll be doing Laravel [46:55.980 --> 46:56.980] yep [46:56.980 --> 46:57.980] yeah okay [46:57.980 --> 46:59.980] that makes sense [46:59.980 --> 47:00.980] um [47:02.980 --> 47:03.980] didn't actually have many [47:03.980 --> 47:04.980] I [47:04.980 --> 47:06.980] most of my questions were about existing infrastructure [47:06.980 --> 47:09.980] I was surprised to learn that there's nothing [47:10.980 --> 47:11.980] hence the project [47:11.980 --> 47:12.980] well [47:12.980 --> 47:13.980] yeah [47:13.980 --> 47:16.980] it's just like tape is like you know this big thing [47:16.980 --> 47:17.980] I [47:17.980 --> 47:18.980] I really thought they would have [47:18.980 --> 47:20.980] the usual situation is they don't [47:20.980 --> 47:21.980] it's not thought about [47:22.980 --> 47:24.980] until somebody needs something [47:25.980 --> 47:27.980] and then it's a case of [47:27.980 --> 47:28.980] often there's panic [47:28.980 --> 47:29.980] in [47:29.980 --> 47:30.980] especially management wise [47:30.980 --> 47:31.980] after management suddenly realise [47:31.980 --> 47:32.980] oh shit we need something x y z [47:32.980 --> 47:34.980] and there's panic panic panic [47:34.980 --> 47:35.980] and there's thinking [47:35.980 --> 47:36.980] if you thought [47:36.980 --> 47:38.980] gently and carefully about [47:38.980 --> 47:39.980] why are you going [47:39.980 --> 47:42.980] this sort of thing can actually assist [47:42.980 --> 47:43.980] um [47:43.980 --> 47:45.980] and that's part of the reason why [47:45.980 --> 47:46.980] we do these sort of [47:46.980 --> 47:48.980] these sort of projects we think [47:48.980 --> 47:50.980] okay we can see a problem here [47:50.980 --> 47:53.980] let's see if we can develop a possible solution [47:53.980 --> 47:54.980] to at least [47:54.980 --> 47:56.980] worst case scenario is we're giving management a [47:56.980 --> 47:59.980] concept of what is really needed [47:59.980 --> 48:02.980] because they think from a management point of view [48:02.980 --> 48:03.980] they don't think from [48:03.980 --> 48:06.980] the front facing people [48:06.980 --> 48:07.980] which is us as lecturers [48:07.980 --> 48:08.980] you as students [48:08.980 --> 48:10.980] and also our client services [48:10.980 --> 48:11.980] and so forth [48:11.980 --> 48:13.980] so yeah they just think about the money [48:13.980 --> 48:15.980] and the general overview of everything [48:15.980 --> 48:17.980] and they don't see what's going on [48:17.980 --> 48:19.980] they don't understand what we need [48:19.980 --> 48:20.980] so that's a [48:20.980 --> 48:21.980] let's bring in that [48:21.980 --> 48:22.980] let's change [48:22.980 --> 48:24.980] change the above by coming from below [48:24.980 --> 48:26.980] is there some sort of system where you can [48:26.980 --> 48:27.980] um [48:27.980 --> 48:29.980] store notes maybe on how [48:29.980 --> 48:30.980] you know like [48:30.980 --> 48:31.980] feedback system [48:31.980 --> 48:32.980] from the teachers and stuff [48:32.980 --> 48:33.980] that are combined maybe [48:33.980 --> 48:35.980] some other system [48:35.980 --> 48:36.980] I don't know [48:36.980 --> 48:37.980] not thought about [48:37.980 --> 48:38.980] not thought about that sort of thing [48:38.980 --> 48:39.980] something just sort of just [48:39.980 --> 48:41.980] I think at the moment [48:41.980 --> 48:43.980] it's the sort of idea you can put forward [48:43.980 --> 48:45.980] with a bit more explanation [48:45.980 --> 48:47.980] and it gives us a way of saying [48:47.980 --> 48:48.980] well [48:48.980 --> 48:49.980] because that's part of what you're going to be doing [48:49.980 --> 48:50.980] is you're going to come up [48:50.980 --> 48:51.980] you're going to say [48:51.980 --> 48:52.980] okay we've seen these ideas [48:52.980 --> 48:53.980] we've also got these ideas [48:53.980 --> 48:55.980] be careful about that though [48:55.980 --> 48:57.980] um because you don't want to have the scope creep [48:57.980 --> 48:59.980] you want to try and keep yourself [48:59.980 --> 49:00.980] I was about to talk about that [49:00.980 --> 49:03.980] because it seems like we have two projects [49:03.980 --> 49:04.980] that we've talked about [49:04.980 --> 49:06.980] there is like managing risks [49:06.980 --> 49:08.980] and also like strategies [49:08.980 --> 49:10.980] and like for individuals [49:10.980 --> 49:12.980] that all need to be very private [49:12.980 --> 49:14.980] very secure [49:14.980 --> 49:17.980] and then there's also like wins [49:17.980 --> 49:18.980] and then like successful strategies [49:18.980 --> 49:20.980] for running classes [49:20.980 --> 49:21.980] and like I tried this [49:21.980 --> 49:22.980] and this worked really well [49:22.980 --> 49:24.980] and so I think [49:24.980 --> 49:26.980] just in terms of data [49:26.980 --> 49:28.980] doing both would be a bit messy [49:28.980 --> 49:30.980] so what should we do with that? [49:30.980 --> 49:32.980] Well that's where you [49:32.980 --> 49:33.980] we give you [49:33.980 --> 49:35.980] as the teams [49:35.980 --> 49:38.980] the decision making process [49:38.980 --> 49:39.980] okay [49:39.980 --> 49:41.980] we have this concept [49:41.980 --> 49:43.980] you now say okay [49:43.980 --> 49:44.980] when you're planning out [49:44.980 --> 49:45.980] you say okay [49:45.980 --> 49:46.980] this is the highest priority [49:46.980 --> 49:47.980] next, next, next [49:47.980 --> 49:48.980] next, next, next [49:48.980 --> 49:49.980] so you can plan out [49:49.980 --> 49:50.980] a four year plan [49:50.980 --> 49:51.980] four year development plan [49:51.980 --> 49:53.980] if you wanted to [49:53.980 --> 49:54.980] and it doesn't need to be detailed [49:54.980 --> 49:55.980] for the next three [49:55.980 --> 49:57.980] just the details for this year [49:57.980 --> 49:58.980] okay [49:58.980 --> 49:59.980] and you give ideas of what needs to be done [49:59.980 --> 50:00.980] next and next [50:00.980 --> 50:01.980] that's perfectly alright [50:01.980 --> 50:03.980] and that is part of your proposal [50:03.980 --> 50:04.980] yeah [50:04.980 --> 50:05.980] and we might say no [50:05.980 --> 50:06.980] we want this [50:06.980 --> 50:07.980] yeah [50:07.980 --> 50:08.980] okay [50:08.980 --> 50:09.980] that's why the draft [50:09.980 --> 50:11.980] and that's why you look at other systems [50:11.980 --> 50:12.980] and [50:12.980 --> 50:13.980] yeah [50:13.980 --> 50:16.980] where the two teams might even end up with two title different [50:16.980 --> 50:17.980] yeah [50:17.980 --> 50:18.980] it might be two different systems [50:18.980 --> 50:19.980] might be two parts [50:19.980 --> 50:22.980] might be two parts of the same system you end up developing together as [50:22.980 --> 50:23.980] two sections of it [50:23.980 --> 50:25.980] we don't [50:25.980 --> 50:26.980] it's [50:26.980 --> 50:27.980] it's [50:27.980 --> 50:28.980] it's where [50:28.980 --> 50:29.980] we're open [50:29.980 --> 50:30.980] right [50:30.980 --> 50:31.980] we don't [50:31.980 --> 50:32.980] we're not going to say you have to do this [50:32.980 --> 50:33.980] we want to see [50:33.980 --> 50:34.980] some positive progress [50:34.980 --> 50:35.980] yeah [50:35.980 --> 50:36.980] technically wise [50:36.980 --> 50:37.980] just to summarize [50:37.980 --> 50:38.980] yeah [50:38.980 --> 50:39.980] Laravel [50:39.980 --> 50:41.980] so PHP 8.4 or 8.5 preferably [50:41.980 --> 50:42.980] um [50:42.980 --> 50:43.980] database wise [50:43.980 --> 50:44.980] yes [50:44.980 --> 50:45.980] we can go [50:45.980 --> 50:46.980] down [50:46.980 --> 50:47.980] the MySQL MariahDB way [50:47.980 --> 50:49.980] but you can also go Postgres [50:49.980 --> 50:50.980] quite nicely [50:50.980 --> 50:52.980] because we can support that [50:52.980 --> 50:53.980] um [50:53.980 --> 50:54.980] it just has a slightly different [50:54.980 --> 50:55.980] management [50:55.980 --> 50:56.980] front end for it [50:56.980 --> 50:58.980] as far as you're concerned [50:58.980 --> 50:59.980] the [50:59.980 --> 51:02.980] interaction with the system is going to be exactly the same as Laravel [51:02.980 --> 51:03.980] no [51:03.980 --> 51:04.980] that's the joys of that [51:04.980 --> 51:05.980] it's not [51:05.980 --> 51:06.980] eloquent [51:06.980 --> 51:07.980] yeah [51:07.980 --> 51:08.980] um [51:08.980 --> 51:10.980] you can also consider [51:10.980 --> 51:11.980] the use of [51:11.980 --> 51:12.980] no SQL database backend [51:12.980 --> 51:14.980] such as MongoDB [51:14.980 --> 51:15.980] for [51:15.980 --> 51:17.980] if there were some things you feel might be better in that [51:17.980 --> 51:18.980] okay [51:18.980 --> 51:19.980] so just consider it [51:19.980 --> 51:21.980] you don't have to describe it [51:21.980 --> 51:22.980] now you can say [51:22.980 --> 51:23.980] okay in stage 2 we want to do this [51:23.980 --> 51:24.980] okay [51:24.980 --> 51:25.980] um [51:25.980 --> 51:27.980] at the moment [51:27.980 --> 51:28.980] the [51:28.980 --> 51:31.980] concept system will be hosted by us [51:31.980 --> 51:33.980] on our external server [51:33.980 --> 51:36.980] so that's another reason why security is so important [51:36.980 --> 51:37.980] important [51:37.980 --> 51:38.980] so [51:38.980 --> 51:39.980] all [51:39.980 --> 51:40.980] where possible [51:40.980 --> 51:43.980] everything has to be fully [51:43.980 --> 51:44.980] um [51:44.980 --> 51:45.980] secured [51:45.980 --> 51:48.980] so there has to be used known password logins [51:48.980 --> 51:49.980] um [51:49.980 --> 51:51.980] I think we might have to insist [51:51.980 --> 51:52.980] or actually do [51:52.980 --> 51:54.980] we will have to insist on two-factor authentication [51:54.980 --> 51:56.980] so that's a technical [51:56.980 --> 51:57.980] so that's a technical [51:57.980 --> 51:58.980] okay [51:58.980 --> 51:59.980] important to think about [51:59.980 --> 52:00.980] um [52:00.980 --> 52:01.980] we cannot tie in [52:01.980 --> 52:03.980] with our [52:03.980 --> 52:04.980] one [52:04.980 --> 52:05.980] uh [52:05.980 --> 52:07.980] office 365 [52:07.980 --> 52:08.980] logins [52:08.980 --> 52:09.980] at this moment in time [52:09.980 --> 52:11.980] maybe in the future if we can host it [52:11.980 --> 52:12.980] within [52:12.980 --> 52:13.980] tape infrastructure [52:13.980 --> 52:14.980] yeah [52:14.980 --> 52:15.980] it would change [52:15.980 --> 52:16.980] okay so it would [52:16.980 --> 52:19.980] we would have to maintain a separate authentication [52:19.980 --> 52:20.980] system [52:20.980 --> 52:22.980] which you can talk about anyway so [52:22.980 --> 52:23.980] okay [52:25.980 --> 52:26.980] um [52:26.980 --> 52:28.980] other tech details [52:28.980 --> 52:31.980] don't know off the top of my head [52:31.980 --> 52:33.980] um [52:33.980 --> 52:36.980] maybe because my brain is not even thinking about that at the moment [52:36.980 --> 52:38.980] but if you have tech queries [52:38.980 --> 52:39.980] yeah [52:39.980 --> 52:40.980] just throw them [52:40.980 --> 52:42.980] throw them into the general chat [52:42.980 --> 52:43.980] okay [52:43.980 --> 52:44.980] okay [52:44.980 --> 52:45.980] yeah [52:45.980 --> 52:46.980] myself [52:46.980 --> 52:47.980] Aaron [52:47.980 --> 52:48.980] John [52:48.980 --> 52:49.980] John's in there as well [52:49.980 --> 52:50.980] only he's another [52:50.980 --> 52:51.980] um [52:51.980 --> 52:52.980] really good for tech [52:52.980 --> 52:53.980] um [52:53.980 --> 52:56.980] and John will push you into all sorts of directions as well [52:56.980 --> 52:57.980] so just be aware of that [52:57.980 --> 52:58.980] yeah [52:58.980 --> 52:59.980] and if you can make sure [52:59.980 --> 53:00.980] obviously I'm sure you will [53:00.980 --> 53:01.980] but the [53:01.980 --> 53:03.980] the recordings and the summaries of what we've talked about [53:03.980 --> 53:04.980] make sure they go back into the chat [53:04.980 --> 53:06.980] because there are people that are not here currently [53:06.980 --> 53:07.980] and not present [53:07.980 --> 53:08.980] that [53:08.980 --> 53:09.980] will benefit from [53:09.980 --> 53:10.980] yeah [53:10.980 --> 53:11.980] we'll have a big transcript [53:11.980 --> 53:12.980] that will be [53:12.980 --> 53:13.980] yeah [53:13.980 --> 53:14.980] it's going to have everything in it [53:14.980 --> 53:15.980] we're not going to edit it at all [53:15.980 --> 53:16.980] we'll just kind of dump it in there [53:16.980 --> 53:17.980] do the full transcript [53:17.980 --> 53:18.980] but also do a summary [53:18.980 --> 53:19.980] yeah [53:19.980 --> 53:21.980] that key point is always a good idea [53:21.980 --> 53:22.980] mm-hmm [53:22.980 --> 53:23.980] excellent [53:23.980 --> 53:24.980] any other lasting questions? [53:24.980 --> 53:25.980] we do only have about [53:25.980 --> 53:26.980] a few minutes left [53:26.980 --> 53:27.980] before we [53:27.980 --> 53:28.980] have class [53:28.980 --> 53:30.980] I have exhausted my document [53:30.980 --> 53:31.980] excellent [53:31.980 --> 53:32.980] okay [53:32.980 --> 53:33.980] happy enough [53:33.980 --> 53:34.980] if you do have any questions [53:34.980 --> 53:35.980] I did say this in class anyway [53:35.980 --> 53:36.980] but remember that [53:36.980 --> 53:37.980] obviously this isn't [53:37.980 --> 53:38.980] one and done [53:38.980 --> 53:39.980] the only meeting [53:39.980 --> 53:41.980] feel free to schedule another one [53:41.980 --> 53:42.980] and let us know [53:42.980 --> 53:44.980] and [53:44.980 --> 53:46.980] but if you have any questions [53:46.980 --> 53:48.980] anything that you just need answered [53:48.980 --> 53:49.980] quickly [53:49.980 --> 53:50.980] or [53:50.980 --> 53:52.980] you know you don't want to sit down and actually have a conversation [53:52.980 --> 53:53.980] just by getting in the chat [53:53.980 --> 53:54.980] one of us will see it [53:54.980 --> 53:55.980] we'll be able to [53:55.980 --> 53:56.980] or multiple will see it [53:56.980 --> 53:57.980] I do have a bit of a question [53:57.980 --> 53:59.980] what is the kind of deadline on this? [53:59.980 --> 54:00.980] so [54:00.980 --> 54:01.980] your end date is [54:03.980 --> 54:04.980] what [54:04.980 --> 54:05.980] what [54:05.980 --> 54:06.980] what [54:06.980 --> 54:07.980] am I in? [54:07.980 --> 54:08.980] so you've got [54:08.980 --> 54:09.980] twelve [54:09.980 --> 54:11.980] twelve [54:11.980 --> 54:13.980] weeks [54:13.980 --> 54:16.980] so that's your [54:16.980 --> 54:17.980] front end [54:17.980 --> 54:29.560] Yeah, so the whole project is the end of, um, the end of, semester two, week 16. [54:29.580 --> 54:30.660] It's end of semester two. [54:30.860 --> 54:38.220] Yeah, end of semester two, so you're talking, realistically, week 18 of that, which is, like, late in November. [54:39.140 --> 54:41.020] Because week 19, you have your great shirt. [54:41.420 --> 54:44.540] Yeah, so that's when you will demonstrate. [54:44.540 --> 54:54.100] Yeah, you will be, um, we will be inviting management, which could include the MD. [54:55.360 --> 54:55.640] Yep. [54:56.760 --> 54:57.880] And she'll have the meetings. [54:58.160 --> 54:58.660] Yeah, that's true. [54:59.480 --> 55:03.040] And this is the sort of thing Michelle would probably have. [55:04.860 --> 55:14.440] So, yeah, consider that, um, be that your timeline, your final timeline, but obviously we do have, um, sort of milestones that you're expecting. [55:14.540 --> 55:16.260] And complete, anyway, based on the assessment. [55:16.520 --> 55:19.720] Remember, the assessment deadlines are pretty much the things that tie you down. [55:19.820 --> 55:24.480] So, for this class, obviously, you have your solution report and action plan and your final presentation, which is this semester. [55:25.560 --> 55:25.960] Okay. [55:26.100 --> 55:32.880] It's part of the reason why I'm trying to get your, week 16, have all of your portfolio work done as possible. [55:33.260 --> 55:35.900] You're leaving 17, 18, or for marking, and weeks 16, et cetera. [55:35.900 --> 55:41.960] And it gives you time then to start thinking about the development on the project and start getting somewhere. [55:43.040 --> 55:47.060] So, that's the other reason why I'm trying to get things forward, to allow you that time. [55:47.900 --> 55:48.520] We're ready. [55:50.040 --> 55:50.360] Okay. [55:50.600 --> 55:51.840] Thank you very much for having us. [55:52.020 --> 55:52.880] And thanks for making the time. [55:52.980 --> 55:53.420] Thank you. [55:53.960 --> 55:54.640] Thank you. [55:54.800 --> 55:55.500] Thank you for coming in. [55:55.720 --> 55:56.500] Last minute. [55:56.740 --> 55:57.400] Turn it in. [55:57.900 --> 55:58.260] Oh. [55:58.260 --> 55:58.320] Oh.